"Blood Suckers' or just 'Suckers"

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Blood Suckers"?

    “Jewish Extremists' Leader: Christians Are 'Blood Sucking Vampires' Who Should Be Expelled From Israel”
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.693132
    EXCERPT” Benzi Gopstein, leader of the extremist anti-assimilationist group Lehava, has called for the prevention of Christmas celebrations in Israel and the expulsion of Christians whom he compared to “vampires.”CONTINUED


    Or "Suckers" ?


    “What Do Israelis Think About Americans? Start With Disdain.”
    http://forward.com/articles/216074/...out-americans-start-with/?p=all#ixzz3U6lIMhyL

    EXCERPT “Jerusalem — Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.
    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,”
    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.
    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction.”CONTINUED


    Meanwhile, who's doing the "sucking":


    “The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion”
    http://www.wrmea.org/2003-june/the-costs-to-american-taxpayers-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

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    There is little question that Israel's number of hate-filled extremists are growing in both number, vitriol & government influence on a daily basis . At the same time, predominately Christian Americans are unknowingly funding people who hate them & justifiably, regard many of them as easily exploitable "suckers". According to the number of Americans who blindly support or excuse any Israeli Hate Crime, War Crime or Atrocity, they're not too far off the mark in American gullibility.

    The question remains:

    Is unconditional American support and $ Trillions in Aid good for either, both countries, the Region and / or the best interests of the Americans who foot the bill in both blood & resources?.

    Opinions?
     
  2. Dutch

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    Over the last 20 years, Palestinians received over $31bln in American and European money. Accounting for inflation, this is by far the most donations any other people have received.

    Where the (*)(*)(*)(*) did these money go or better question, where they did not go? Ask, and I shall enlighten you.
     
  3. Grau

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    As usual:

    1. You can't / won't provide a source for the $1.6 ( + , - ) Billion yearly in "donations"

    2. Your statement: "this ($1.6 ( + , - ) Billion yearly) is by far the most donations any other people have received....." is laughably false. Why did you even attempt a deception so blatantly false as to diminish the credibility of ANYTHING you state?

    3. You ignore the fact that any attempt at accounting is impossible when whatever building used for Record Keeping, Water Treatment, Power Generation, Education, Health is regularly & systematically destroyed.

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    I don't doubt that there is & has been corruption in Palestinian governments but compared to aid to Israel both private & via published US Government Aid direct, indirect aid (Forgiven "Loans",) clandestine extortions[1] bribing Egypt to being nice to Israel [2], weapons "Sales" that are actually gifts [3], stolen US secret military technology [4], stolen industrial / business secrets[5], fighting Wars for Israeli "Security" [6], Aid for Fireworks Safety[7], Air Defense Aid & Off-The-Books Ammunition "storage"[8] " Separate" Aid[9] .....

    ...I'd be happy to continue but would rather do something else for the next few days than list the bizarre & obscene ways in which Israeli lobbies, their hirelings and traitorous, "Dual" Israeli citizens extract & funnel $ Trillions from loyal & working Americans, Disabled Vets, under-educated school kids, US infrastructure & on & on & on.




    If you'd like additional amounts & ways in which Israeli lobbies etc extract blood & money from America, please read:

    “Israel as financial parasite: the staggering cost to Americans”
    http://www.sott.net/article/260462-Israel-as-financial-parasite-the-staggering-cost-to-Americans

    EXCERPT “When Israel attempted to sink a U.S. Navy ship, the USS Liberty , in 1967, killing 34 Americans and injuring over 170, it still failed to put a dent in aid to Israel. Indeed, aid quadrupled the following year.CONTINUED



    Now, please "enlighten" me about the evils of "Pennies for Palestine"







    [1.] “Israel signals may ask for more US military aid over Iran deal "
    www.jpost.com/Israel.../Israel-signals-may-ask-for-more-US-military-aid- over-Iran-deal-409358‎
Jul 17, 2015 ... EXCERPT "Israel signals may ask for more US military aid over Iran deal ... threats that may arise as result of the international agreement on Iran's nuclear program."CONTINUED


    [2] “Q&A: U.S. Foreign Aid to Egypt”
    http://dailysignal.com/2013/07/11/qa-u-s-foreign-aid-to-egypt/
    EXCERPT “It should be continued only if Egypt maintains peace with Israel, fights al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups, and respects the human rights and liberties of its citizens.”CONTINUED

    [3] “CHUTZPAH: $3.1 BILLION IN US “AID” TO ISRAEL AS IT “BUYS” $2.75 BILLION WORTH OF F35 JETS”
    http://newobserveronline.com/chutzpah-3-1-billion-us-aid-israel-buys-2-75-billion-worth-f35-jets/


    [4] “REPORT: ISRAEL PASSES U.S. MILITARY TECHNOLOGY TO CHINA”
    http://defensetech.org/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china/


    [5] “Israel: a Huge Liability on American Foreign Policy Balance Sheet – Indyk-AIPAC Secret Theft From American Industry Reaches $100 Billion”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel...american-industry-reaches-100-billion/5344479
    EXCERPT “The FBI soon(*)discovered(*)AIPAC had illegally obtained a secret copy of the business secrets(*)compiled by ITC,(*)giving AIPAC(*)invaluable ammunition to(*)target those lobbying(*)against the deal.

    Complaints about Israeli theft of U.S. intellectual property, including pharmaceutical patents to export copy-cats into the U.S. market, have been ongoing.
    Since the year of the theft,(*)the(*)formerly balanced U.S.-Israeli trading relationship has turned into a chronic(*)yearly(*)deficit for America.(*) From 1985 through May of 2013(*)(the latest data available), the deficit has reached(*)a cumulative(*)$100 billion.(*)(*)“CONTINUED


    [6] 'US pays price in money and blood for Israel'
    http://www.presstv.com/detail/228413.html

    EXCERPT "We went into Afghanistan for Israel; we went into Iraq for Israel; it's time to cut that association with Israel, bring our troops home.
    How many more American lives have to be spent and bought and traded for America fighting wars because of Israel? It's unacceptable."CONTINUED

    [6] “MAIDHC Ó CATHAIL: THE UNITED STATES FIGHTS AND PAYS FOR ISRAEL’S WARS”
    http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/10/ma...ited-states-fights-and-pays-for-israels-wars/

    [6] “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03



    [7] “Congress Proposes Giving Israel an Extra $1 Billion for Firework Safety”
    “Congressional Committee Proposal would raise US taxpayer support for Israel’s military in 2013 to a record $4 billion.”
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/0...srael-an-extra-1-billion-for-firework-safety/


    [8] “Tempering Iron Dome: US may spend $680 million on Israeli missile shield”

    http://rt.com/news/us-israel-military-aid-iron-dome-637/

    EXCERPT “Israel is the only recipient of US military aid granted permission to use the funds on local development and the procurement of military hardware.”
    “Besides the annual money transfers and hardware supplies, the US has established munitions stockpiles in Israel, which are not part of the military aid agreement. But although they are intended for use by and belong to the US military, in emergency situations they can also be used by Israel. The overall cost of the US munitions stored in Israel is estimated at around $1 billion in 2012.”CONTINUED


    [9] “Cantor suggests separate funding account for aid to Israel”
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkpoint-washington/2010/10/cantor_suggests_separate_fundi.html
     
  4. Dutch

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    You did not expect me to follow link www.presstv.com, did you? Well, I've tried anyway, and your link is not working. Instead, I found this gem :wall: http://presstv.com/Detail/2015/12/27/443440/Israel-Palestine-West-Bank-Huwara/

    Here's part of an immortal speech by Winston Churchill that you may find inyeresting:

    in Parliament in 1939 responding to efforts to withdraw British support for a Jewish state. Describing “the magnificent work which the Jewish colonists have done,” he said: “They have made the desert bloom… started a score of thriving industries… founded a great city on the barren shore… harnessed the Jordan and spread its electricity throughout the land… So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population. Now we are asked to decree that all this is to stop and all this is to come to an end. We are now asked to submit(*)— and this is what rankles most with me(*)— to an agitation which is fed with foreign money and ceaselessly inflamed by Nazi and by Fascist propaganda.”

    That was in 1939 and says it all, for the ages. Eighty years later nothing much has changed.”
     
  5. Grau

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    1. Re: The one "missing link":

    I think I included enough additional supporting sources on the same topic to make my point which you have chosen to ignore & refer me to another Zionist lobbyist


    2. The "immortal speech" that you claim "says it all" is simply a groveling regurgitation of Zionist mythology by a drunken Zionist War Criminal & consummate politician pandering to his Zionist "King Makers"



    “Sir Winston Churchill: Zionist hero”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/sir-winston-churchill-zionist-hero-8277918.html

    EXCERPT ““As a passionate Zionist all his life and a philo-semite, Churchill has been under-recognised,” says Anthony Rosenfelder, a trustee of the Jerusalem Foundation,
    They say he should be acknowledged for his role in helping make real the 1917 Balfour Declaration of British support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

    It is perhaps ironic that a statue of Churchill should stand just yards away from the King David Hotel, scene of a deadly Jewish terror attack on British military headquarters in 1946 that was to hasten the demise of mandate rule in Palestine.

    Tom Segev, author of One Palestine Complete, claims that Churchill once told his close friend and an elder of the Zionist movement, Chaim Weizmann, that he would support the Zionists “even if they did horribly stupid things”.

    Not everybody is so convinced. Some see his support for Zionism as a matter of expediency. He spoke often of a Jewish conspiracy behind the Bolshevik Revolution, and there are those who believe that his support for a Jewish state arose from a desire to keep the Jews from meddling in the affairs of others.”CONTINUED


    Churchill is precisely one of the scheming Zionist lobbyists behind the catastrophic abrogation of the McMahone Agreement of 1915 which promised the Arabs the return of their Palestinian Homeland for their help in fighting the Ottoman Turks. The fruits of his craven political machinations continue to plague us a century later, inspire carnage throughout the Mid East & the West & cost thousands of lives


    The "Zionist Hero" you chose to cite is simply another among several victorious War Criminals who in a drunken stupor ordered the initiation of Chemical Warfare but was shuffled off to bed before that particular War Crime could be initiated. He did, however, succeed in helping to mastermind the criminal incineration of 750,000 - 500,000 European refugees & civilians about a month before the end of the War in the European Theater.

    Now, would you please submit comments more closely related to the topic at hand?


    If you feel vexed that people we torment chant "Death to America" why are so enamored of people we Pamper who call for the expulsion of us from a country we support with American blood & resources


    Thanks
     
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    “Israel today concentrates the genius of the Jews. Obscured by the prevalent media narrative of the “war-torn” Middle East, Israel’s rarely-celebrated feats of commercial, scientific, and technological creativity climax the Jews’ twentieth-century saga of triumph over tragedy. Today tiny Israel, with its population of 7.23 million, five and one-half million Jewish, is second only to the United States in technological contributions. In per capita innovation, Israel dwarfs all nations. The forces of civilization in the world continue to feed upon the intellectual wealth epitomized by Israel.

    Today in the Middle East, Israeli wealth looms palpably and portentously over the middens of Arab poverty. But dwarfing Israel’s own wealth is Israel’s contribution to the world economy, stemming from Israeli creativity and entrepreneurial innovation. Israel’s technical and scientific gifts to global progress loom with similar majesty over all others’ contributions with the sole exception of the United States.

    Long before the founding of Israel in 1948, Jewish pioneers in Palestine had reclaimed the land from malarial marshes, gullied hillsides, and sand dunes, and enabled it — for the first time in a millennium - to sustain a population of millions of Jews and Arabs alike. Now, over the last two decades, Israel has unleashed a miracle of creative capitalism and technology and exported its contributions around the globe.

    During the 1990s and early 2000s Israel removed the manacles of its confiscatory taxes, oppressive regulations, government ownership, and socialist nostalgia and established itself as a driving force of global technological leadership.

    Contemplating this Israeli achievement, the minds of parochial intellects around the globe, from Jerusalem to Los Angeles, are clouded with envy and suspicion. Everywhere, from the cagey diplomats of the United Nations to the cerebral leftists at the Harvard Faculty Club, critics of Israel assert that Israelis are somehow responsible for Palestinian Arab poverty. Violence against Israel is seen as blowback from previous crimes of the Israelis. With little or no extenuation for the difficulties of a targeted defense against guerrilla attacks, suicide bombers, rockets and missiles, the world condemns the Israelis’ efforts to preserve their country against those who would destroy it. Denying to Israel the moral fruits and affirmations that Jews have so richly earned by their paramount contributions to our civilization, the critics of Israel lash out at the foundations of civilization itself — at the golden rule of capitalism, that the good fortune of others is also one’s own.”

    Excerpt From: Gilder, George. “The Israel Test"

    Why do you want to deprive world of the best, the brightest, the smartest, the most intelligent?

    Enjoy the reading :)
     
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    I didn't click on either of your links because neither one sounds right to me.

    There are bands of ultra conservative groups going around Israel giving women a hard time on the bus, but I don't see how this is the total take over of Israel by anti-woman, ultra-Orthodox Jews.

    Now I think such groups are increasing, perhaps, but I think if they are squashed early this might not turn into a problem.

    People should like women and alow them to sit anywhere on the bus that they want.
     
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    I agree completely regarding treating women (an anybody) with friendly kindness, respect & courtesy. Its' the way I was raised, is usually always appreciated & I feel better at the end of the day for having done so.


    I follow Mid East events rather closely because that Region & its conflicts seem to consume an inordinate amount of US blood & resources; Israel consumes so more than is generally known.

    Additionally, I have friends & family who live, serve in the Military & work throughout the Mid East in other capacities. Consequently,my wife & I frequently have them, their friends & co-workers for dinner parties & as weekend guests. Recently, we hosted a dinner party that included IDF members, Iranian MDs & 2 Palestinian medical students & all went extremely well.

    So, in addition to "the News", my sources of information are fairly varied. One thing I've learned & try to convey is that people of different nationalities, Religions & ethnic groups have far more in common than they have differences.

    While I am frequently in opposition to Israeli government policies, its excesses & illegalities, I've found that many Israelis share my sentiments frequently at their peril. They, too are seriously disturbed about what see as rapidly growing, militant, Radical Zionist Extremism which is detrimental to Israel's long term best interests & grossly under-reported in Major US Media.

    That's the reason I cited the 2 articles I chose. The widespread, blind, angry & unconditional support by many under informed Americans & AIPAC controlled US politicians is severely detrimental to moderate & peace seeking Israelis & the outnumbered, rational & moderate Israeli political element they support.

    Unlimited, unconditional US Government support for the Israeli government atrocities, illegal genotoxic chemical weapons deployment, Settlements etc that make it one of the most unpopular countries in the world [1] are severely detrimental to the interests of both the US & moderate, rational Israelis.

    Sixteen US intelligence agencies with a combined budget over USD70 billion have predicted that Israel will cease to exist in 10 - 20 years unless it changes its same current, self-destructive policies.[2] that cost Americans countless $ Billions & barrels of American blood.

    Unfortunately, the Israeli government currently runs a slick, sophisticated & multi-billion Hasbara / Propaganda Industry with a network of tens of thousands of paid, trained, State supported Hasbara trolls to swamp news outlets, University campuses & Forums like this with support for the same self destructive policies & dismiss constructive criticism as "Israel bashing" & "Anti Semitism"

    I hope this lengthy tome is helpful & gives you a better idea of my sentiments & those who share them.


    Thanks for your time






    [1] “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations” http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890

    EXCERPT “The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.
    Only 21 percent of participants had a positive view on Israel, while 52 percent viewed the country unfavorably. Iran, in comparison, won the favorable opinion of 15 percent of those who answered the survey, while 59 percent viewed it unfavorably.”CONTINUED



    [2] “Henry Kissinger: ''In 10 years Israel will cease to exist' l
    http://breakingdownthnews.blogspot.com/2014/08/zionist-henry-kissinger-in-10-years.html

    EXCERPT “According to news reports, Henry Kissinger and sixteen American intelligence agencies agree that in the near future, "Israel" will no longer exist.

    (*)The US Intelligence Community agrees, though perhaps not on the precise 2022 expiration date.
    (*)
    Sixteen US intelligence agencies with a combined budget over USD70 billion have issued an 82-page analysis titled "Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East".

    (*)The US intelligence report observes that the 700,000 "Israeli" settlers illegally squatting on land stolen in 1967 - land that the entire world agrees belongs to Palestine, not "Israel" - are not going to pack up and leave peacefully.
    Since the world will never accept their ongoing presence on stolen land, "Israel" is like South Africa in the late 1980s" CONTINUED.


    [3] “Israel’s Information Ops”
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/israels-information-ops/
    EXCERPT “ But the American public in particular should be aware of the extraordinary efforts that Israel and its supporters make to present a crafted and coordinated image through the media, particularly by way of the Internet.
    When an intelligence organization seeks to influence opinion by creating and deliberately circulating false information, it is referred to as a “disinformation operation.”
    But Israel has refined the art ....
    .....in many cases paying students as part-time bloggers or exploiting diaspora Jews as volunteers to get its message out.
    The practice is so systemic, involving recruitment, training, Foreign Ministry-prepared information sheets, and internet alerts to potential targets, that it is frequently described by its Hebrew name, hasbara, which means literally “public explanation.”CONTINUED
     
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    Sorry, man, but that isn't the issue.
     
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    Unconditional support for Israel is in the best interest of America if you are an American with a stake in WWIII and no kids to put up on the ****** altar.
     
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    Unconditional support empowers people like Netanyahu, not to mention the ultra orthodox ultra Zionist crowd, to perpetuate the conflict while slowly but surely securing more and more of the west bank. What I find unbelievable that Americans have no idea that one of Netanyahu's party's official founding principles was "eretz Israel" from river to sea. (that's the entire west bank of the Jordan, since it contains the ancient nations of Judea and Sameria.

    That said, legitimate criticism of Israeli policies should not be construed as "lacking support" for the nation. Seems any criticism is construed by American Zionists as some evil plot to "make the world muslim". Unfortunately like every other nation on earth, there's a lot to criticize in Israeli politics and policies as many Israelis are doing.

    For instance, Israeli jewish religious fanatics are merely another sub-species of the genus "terrorist", equally vehement, equally hateful but perhaps a tad less violent and altogether more lawful.
     
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    The following article addresses the 2nd part of your statement; Re:

    “WHAT IS THE PRICE
FOR YOUR CHILD'S LIFE?”
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/priceofyourchild.html?q=priceofyourchild.html

    Thanks for the observation that there is plenty of room at "the altar" for those willing to sacrifice their kids for Israel's "security" (aka Regional Hegemony).

    I'm among the many US Veterans who relies on the under funded, under staffed, local V.A. Hospital. Lots of people will talk of the "Cost" of America's involvement in the fatally flawed Iraq War but most think in terms of Dollars.

    I remember in the lead up to the Iraq war that over 80% of Americans were easily churned up into a pro War fever by a blatantly bias Major US Media, however, fewer that 10% of Americans could even find Iraq on a map. Very few Americans saw or see the real cost of that war or the related ones in the Region that continue with no end in sight.

    The real cost of just the Iraq War is not the multi Trillion dollar figure most of us cannot imagine but is the unseen thousands of dismembered, burned, mutilated & traumatized young Americans who still linger in the halls, the Burn unit, the Spinal Trauma unit etc etc. I'm among the luckier older Vets of an earlier war who didn't lose a limb (or limbs) or incur a disfiguring burn wound. However, every time I talked with one of the less fortunate, younger Vets who was on the multi-month waiting list for an artificial arm or leg, I remembered & still remember the following quote.

    The next time you hear another pro War individual rave on that "We' need to get tough with ______" etc, simply recommend a few months of volunteer work at their nearest V.A. who need plenty of help and suggest to them that "We" are welcome to sign up at any time & plenty of rifles to fit all size War Mongers

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03



    More & more loyal Americans are sharing your sentiments .......

    ......Including 16 American intelligence agencies with an annual budget in excess of $ 70 billion.

    “US Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East?”
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/28/us-preparing-for-a-post-israel-middle-east/

    EXCERPT “It’s a paper entitled “Preparing For A Post Israel Middle East”, an 82-page analysis that concludes that the American national interest in fundamentally at odds with that of Zionist Israel.
    The authors conclude that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests because its nature and actions prevent normal US relations(*) with(*) Arab and(*) Muslim countries and, to a growing degree, the wider international community.
    The study was commissioned by the US Intelligence Community comprising 16 American intelligence agencies with an annual budget in excess of $ 70 billion


    Among the many findings are the following:
    • Israel, given its current brutal occupation and belligerence cannot(*) be salvaged any more than apartheid south Africa could be when as late as 1987 Israel was the only “Western” nation that upheld diplomatic ties with South Africa and was the last country to join the international boycott campaign before the regime collapsed;

    • The Israel leadership, with its increasing support of the 700,000 settlers in illegal colonies in the occupied West Bank is increasing out of touch with the political, military and economic realities of the Middle East;"
    CONTINUED

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    There's a good reason why you hear very little about America's infestation of "Israel Firsters" & the world's largest, State supported Propaganda with a network of thousands of paid, full time, trained & scripted Hasbara Trolls:


    “Jim Clancy Fired by CNN for Mentioning the Word Hasbara (Israeli-Zionist Propaganda), Following Rick Sanchez and Octavia Nasr”
    http://www.ccun.org/News/2015/Janua...anchez and Octavia Nasr, January 26, 2015.htm
    EXCERPT “It's important to note that Jim Clancy was not a hero. Like Rick Sanchez and Octavia Nasr before him, he worked for the CNN Israeli-Zionist propaganda (hasbara) machine for 34 years.
    He forgot for a second to respect his Zionist maters by referring to them as hasbara agents (Zionist propaganda agents). They don't like to be called so, that's why they fired him.

    He was part of the Zionist hasbara himself all his career, including this incident, as he did not criticize the cartoons. Actually, he defended them. It's just his Zionist masters don't like any of their employees to call their hasbara machine "hasbara."

    This is dangerous to them as it may contribute to awakening the totally hasbara-controlled Americans and Europeans.
    You can't be free to practice freedom of expression if you work in an Israeli-Zionist propaganda (hasbara) machine, like CNN, Fox, Sky News, Washington Post, New York Times, etc.(*)“CONTINUED

    - - - - - - - - -

    Among the manifold projects undertaken by Israel's Hasbara Network is the re-writing of Wikipedia [1] extensive training, State Funding, training courses by top dollar PR experts such as Frank Luntz and Scripted "Talk Points" familiar to all of us who participate in in discussion forums like this one [2]


    [1] “Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups”
    http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/08/wikipedia-editing-courses-launched-by.html
    EXCERPT “Two Israeli groups have set up 'Zionist editing' courses with aims to alter perceptions about Israel.

    Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site.”CONTINUED


    [2] “Guide for the Hasbara Perplexed”
    25 Short Answers to Tough Questions about Israel”
    http://5mfi.com/guide-for-the-hasbara-perplexed/

    EXCERPT “ Question #25: Does Israel use disproportionate force became a little outdated when Al Jazeera listed the names of Gazans killed in Operation – BTW when is an operation a war? Just asking? – Protective Edge. They are disproportionately males of fighting age. A(*) second group of aged 40+ males corresponds to Hamas leadership.
    This strongly suggests that most deaths are of combatants not innocent women and children. This must explain why so many war pornography photographs of injured children are taken from other conflicts often in other countries like Syria.
    So add this to your list of answers when accused of being a disproportionate baby-killer.
    1. Israel makes extraordinary efforts to protect its citizens. Hamas only cares about its citizens when their death can be manipulated as war propaganda.
    2. Israel is unique in modern or ancient warfare in warning non-combatants to move away from military targets.
    3. Compared to the wars going on around us casualties are very low.
    4. The rate of one death approximately for every 10 sorties illustrates the care Israel takes to avoid a slaughter
    5. Hamas lies through their teeth about the number and nature of casualties.”
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    It is also an unfortunate reality that Israel has a significant number of courageous, ethical, compassionate Peace & Anti-Occupation Groups that face death threats, slander & worse:

    "Israel/Palestine Peace Organizations Resource.."
    http://voicesfrominside.net/organizations.htm


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    More than that, "Lehava" is an Illegal entity and that Bentzi guy has many trails against inciting violence and supporting terror, he will soon be behind bars. Israel is in process of cleaning its stables now.
     
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    OK...so what do you want to do about it? I mean there are ppl in the world that dont respect women, other religions, are violent against others etc' etc' at any society, you want to take the Palestinian society as an example ? how about the American one with your insane killers with free access to guns ? any society has crazies and haters.

    The important thing is how are they treated by the main stream, are they national heroes that get pensions from the gov or are they outlawed and banned from the society ?

    I dont take you as stupid ignorant man so you know these things, I can only assume you contiously focus on Israel becasue you grew to hate it with all your heart and soul like many others throu history for various of reasons. you are not special and your hatred isnt either, you play a role that has always been around Jews and Israel for all times, that's how diamonds are made after all by pressure and heat :)
     
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    Can you give an example of "Unconditional support for Israel" during Obama admin ? 'cause I can give a few examples of the opposite.
     
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    Thank you, I don't see you as anywhere near being ignorant either & have respect for anyone who can master languages as different as Hebrew AND English.

    While other countries may abuse women & slaughter segments of society & particular ethnic groups, they do not do so with American supplied weaponry & US funding.

    From time to time, I try to explain why I devote so much of my time writing about Mid East History, Mid East Events, Israel, US Foreign policy and the entities that have driven them all since the beginning of recorded time.

    After my Military service in S.E. Asia (Laos in particular), I was assigned to an Airborne, Rapid Deployment Team the mission of which was to go defend Israel in the event of an outbreak of hostilities. This was in 1972 & I remember being awoken, packed up, armed & about 1/2 way across the Atlantic by within a few hours in the middle of the night / early morning. It was after being discharged from the military inn late 1972 that I decided to see the region which was the focus of US Government investment & after wandering around the Islamic world for 10 - 11 months, I got caught up in the '73 War in S. Lebanon & Syria.

    Since then, US $ Trillions & thousands of US lives have been consumed in the region for the same reason for which my earlier RDT was created: defending / supporting Israel. No other country has recently been the recipient of so many US lives & resources. That national commitment as well as a personal interest in the Regional history & archeology is behind my focus on the Region.

    In my Posts, try to differentiate between Israel & its people in general and its self destructive, Zionist policies that are enabled by the equally self destructive US politicians that cower before AIPAC and similar Zionist lobbies.


    Again: While other countries & ethnic groups may abuse & slaughter segments of society & particular ethnic groups, they do not do so with American supplied weaponry & US funding.

    What you assume is my hatred of Israel with all my "...heart & soul..." is the strong opposition to the same Israeli atrocities, Settler Extremists, Hate-Filled Zionist Political Parties & policies that are shared by thousands of Israelis usually regarded by Israel's militant & extremist Right Wing as "Self Hating Jews" or Israeli "Traitors" listed here & some of which I am a member:

    Israel/Palestine Peace Organizations Resource...
    http://voicesfrominside.net/organizations.htm

    "B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories"
    http://www.btselem.org/


    "Jewish Voice for Peace"
    https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/


    "Physicials for Human Rights; Israel"
    http://phr.org.il/

    & ETC

    So, when I express my opposition to: "The illegal deployment of Israel's Genotoxic, Chemical Weapons & D.I.M.E. bombs for the Ethnic Cleansing of Gaza......." for example, I do not mean to imply that all of Israel & all of its people are supportive of such criminal acts and hate them all for those acts which are only possible because of US support.

    It would be almost comically awkward to spell out: "The illegal deployment of Genotoxic, Chemical Weapons & D.I.M.E. bombs for the Ethnic Cleansing of Gaza by Israel's Right Wing, Extremist Politicians, murderous Settlers.......

    The term "Israel" then, is an abbreviation for the segment of Israel's Extremists in government & its society that is supportive of the atrocities I Oppose.

    I hope I have not belabored my sentiments but simply want to clarify what I mean beyond any doubt


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    Well, Jews and Arabs are very closely related.

    Where Jews were lucky was that they did not have Mohammed as their prophet.

    That is what makes Jews acceptable in American society.
     
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    Lol, wut? Jews are "acceptable" in American society because Jews control American society. The American evangelicals are useful idiots in all of this.
     
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    Jews are among our most intelligent and productive citizens, and they actually resist trying to force non-Jews to convert, so it is a win-win for us. No threat to American democracy, especially since they also keep their birth rate to sensible numbers and don't raise their kids to be jihadists or to die for the cause.

    I like Jews, and would be glad to have more Muslims around, too, if it weren't for the fast reproduction rate and the pernicious teachings of Mohammed. After all, Arabs and Jews are pretty close genetically.
     
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    Their form of "conversion" is much more subtle. Question:

    Do you really think Hollywood would be churning out the stuff it is today if it were controlled by Anglo-Saxon puritans instead of Jews?
     
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    If anything, they picked up all the violence from the Anglo Saxons.
     
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    Yep, exactly the same, Hollywood IS controlled by Anglo-Saxon puritans, they buy the tickets and they watch the television. There are a lot of Jews in the movie business because it makes money and Jews sometimes have a lot of money. George Lucas has said that is the main part of the movie producers "art", getting together lots of money.
     
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    I think you mean that Sephardic Jews and Arabs are closely related since both lived in relative peace [1] under Religiously tolerant Ottoman Rule until the intervention of more Meddlesome Colonial (British) Rule heavily influenced by Ashkenazi Zionists in their influential lobbies in London. The British Zionist Federation was instrumental in abrogating the McMahone Agreement which promised the Arabs the return of their native Palestine for co-operation in fighting the Ottoman Turks for the British. The native Arabs would have been better off continuing under Ottoman Rule as the British-Zionist Balfour Declaration overturned the McMahone Agreement & betrayed the Arab armies.


    - Re: "Mohammed as their prophet...." Since I spent 10 - 11 months walking, hitch-hiking etc throughout the Mid East Islamic World ( Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey etc etc) and experienced only generous hospitality and kindness from my many welcoming Muslim hosts & everyday Muslims on the street, I would have to differ with those who have only gotten their information / misinformation from a bias, anti Islamic Major Western Media.


    I hope the floolowing excerpt is helpful.

    Thanks for your input



    [1] “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/
    EXCERPTS:
    Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.
    “ For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine
    British held a commission of inquiry, which reported their finding that “there is no inherent anti-Semitism in the country, racial or religious.” Rather, Arab attacks on Jewish communities were the result of Arab fears about the stated goal of the Zionists to take over the land.

    the British Shaw Commission report noted that “In less than 10 years three serious attacks have been made by Arabs on Jews. For 80 years before the first of these attacks there is no recorded instance of any similar incidents.” Representatives from all sides of the emerging conflict testified to the commission that prior to the First World War, “the Jews and Arabs lived side by side if not in amity, at least with tolerance, a quality which today is almost unknown in Palestine.”

    The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies.”
     
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    I'm not qualified to respond to this.

    I can only speak to the fact that Jews make good fellow citizens in the US, mainly IMO because they do not have the potential to morph unexpectedly into radical Islamists.

    I suppose if they claimed Utah the Mormons might resent it.
     

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