Blue Wave, meet the Red Undertow — which might leave Dems lost at sea

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  1. Josephwalker

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    So you admit the quote was a headline not aTrump quote. Good boy. Glad we got that cleared up.
     
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    1. What the poll does not ask and does not explain is WHY Health Care is Top Issue for voters and the reason is obvious - because in the last 2 years Trump has taken care of all other issues (the economy, unemployment, GDP, immigration, trade deals etc) and the situation has improved so much that they are no longer a major concern for the voters.

    2. Just because Health care is top issue for 58% of the voters does not mean all these 58% want the liberal solution for the issue... while the left-leaning voters undoubtedly do want Obamacare back, others see full repeal and replace that hasn't happened yet as their top issue, just like they did in 2016.

    Good luck counting on voters to give up all Trump's successes of the last two years and vote the libs in for the sake of restoring the already failed Obamacare.
     
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    Putting aside that most Americans consistently, in poll after poll, have agreed that Trump stinks, are you able to answer the question:

    Where is Lyin' Don's promised "something terrific!" plan that "covers everybody!" at "less cost!"?
    As noted, Congressional Republicans vowed, since its inception, to repeal and replace the ACA, staging over 50 impotent "show" votes to that end.

    Trump vowed to repeal and replace the ACA "immediately!"

    How have they done with that?
     
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    Can you explain how Trump claims that HE is on the ticket in the midterms because it is a referendum about HIM, but is NOT responsible if the GOP loses the House?
     
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    I busted you for one fake Trump quote because I knew it was a lie. Not sure in the other one which is why I made no comment on it. Anything you say after that pathetic attempt to misquote Trump is suspect though.
     
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    LOL, Trump's record of delivering on his campaign promises is nothing short of incredible and every sane person knows that his inability to completely repeal and replace Obamacare was not for the lack of trying. People in the poll for whom it's the top issue won't hold it against Trump who they know tried his best, they hold it against McCain and Co and they sure as hell won't vote for the Democrats.
     
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    The only truly accurate poll is the one conducted on election day. All others are mere window dressing.
     
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    Please tell us what Trump was going to replace Obamacare with.
     
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    After you tell us how utterly failed Obamacare during which the cost of Health care tripled is a good idea in 2018.

    And please explain why we should trust the dems on Health care when they've been campaigning on it for several decades and after 8 years of Bill Clinton and 8 years of Obama Health Care is in worse than ever.
     
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    Americans have no choice; the repubs will throw the nation under the bus when it comes to health care. At least under Obamacare you could get health insurance; under the republicans you're likely to get an empty bag when it comes to health care.
     
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    Trump says the midterm is a referendum on him, but he is not responsible if Republicans lose.

    Got it.
     
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    The dems have spent several decades campaigning on fixing the Healthcare mess and skyrocketing costs.

    And all they have to show for this is Obamacare, a truly unique government program which succeeded in screwing not only the taxpayers and beneficiaries of the program but also participating insurance companies lol

    How many more decades do you expect to be getting away with campaigning on fixing health care yet letting its cost triple while you're in power?
     
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    You tried to pass off a fake news headline as a trump quote.

    Got it.
     
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    Putting aside your messiah's repeated promises to come clean with his tax returns and his vow to build a "big, beautiful wall" as well as the US's crumbing infrastructure, it's very difficult for Americans, most of whom have disapproved of his performance in poll after poll since he took office, to see how he is advancing his stated commitment to a health care plan that is "something terrific!" that "covers everybody!" at "less cost!" - even with a GOP-run Congress that voiced its intent since its inception to repeal the ACA.

    The concern for healthcare and the impotence of Trump and his Congressional co-conspirators in fulfilling their commitment even exceeds their bloating the national debt, attacks on free trade, and the P-Grabber's misogynistic mewling and glee at assaults on a free press as a voter concern.
     
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    Cited headlines aside, you just can't handle the inherent absurdity of Trump saying the midterm is a referendum on him, but he is not responsible if Republicans lose.

    If you need to ignore what he says, just ignore it.
     
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    You got caught trying to pass off a fake news headline as a trump quote. Accept that you got outed and move on.
     
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    What's more important to you, saving lives or saving money?
     
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    Probably as long as you offer NOTHING as an alternative, and people like Rand and his ilk campaign on even ending the ER option for those who have no other choice. Do you people plan on making the poor people's relatives chase away the flocks of buzzards who will be attracted by the piles of corpses outside the locked hospital doors?

    What Obama wanted at first was a single payer system like just about every civilized country in the world but us already has and all of which have functioned well for the better part of a century in some cases. Republicans forced him to choose a modification of their own Romneycare bs and then wouldn't even support that
     
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    Just to clarify my take on Trump's conflicting statements about himself, I think that he is close to the truth when he - in his customary "It's ALL about ME!" attitude - acknowledges that the midterm is a referendum on him. I think his claiming that he bears no responsibility if the GOP loses the House is one of his typical, self-serving lies.

    What do you think of his contradictory claims?
     
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    Ha, don't even ask that, Conservatives view disease as one their main allies in ending poverty by killing all the poor people.
     
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    Which every other modern nation in the world offers everybody now. And they do it for MUCH less than our healthcare costs.
     
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    If I sneak into Mexico will they allow me to use their healthcare system?
     
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