Boeing 737: Trump's government shutdown delayed fixes to airplane involved in multiple deadly crashe

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by MrTLegal, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    85,089
    Likes Received:
    9,262
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But it was certified airworthy under Obama's FAA.
     
    Texas Republican likes this.
  2. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,607
    Likes Received:
    3,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    As the world awaits the readout from Ethiopian Airlines black box, which is expected Friday, the FAA’s response and the role that it played in keeping Boeing’s 737s in the air are under scrutiny. After the Lion Air plane crash in October 2018, a Boeing software upgrade was expected in January, but the US’s 35-day government shutdown and disagreements between the FAA and the airplane manufacturer delayed it.

    https://qz.com/1571147/boeing-737-max-crisis-puts-spotlight-on-faa-under-trump/
     
    MrTLegal likes this.
  3. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    23,024
    Likes Received:
    13,308
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So Trump is bad if he grounds the planes and he’s irresponsible if he doesn’t ground the planes.

    This is what TDS looks like.
     
    Sahba* and Libby like this.
  4. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    23,024
    Likes Received:
    13,308
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Obama didn’t care about our safety. He must have been getting illegal contributions from Boeing.
     
    Professor Peabody and Libby like this.
  5. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    23,353
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are making that claim. No one else.

    Unless someone invents a time machine, it is impossible and inappropriate to claim that the fix would have saved this plane. Hell, we still do not even know the cause of this most recent crash, let alone whether the fix was designed to address that cause.

    But there can should be no doubt about the optics of this situation. Trump forced a shutdown that resulted in numerous warnings from Aviation Experts. Warning about the potential threats imposed to air traffic by the shutdown. And now we are learning that fixes designed by Boeing specifically for the plane that crashed were delayed because of the shutdown.

    That looks bad. And if Trump wants to take political credit for airplane safety, then he should take political blame for a failure in airplane safety.
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2019
  6. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    23,353
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And that is what a poor reading of the argument looks like.

    I did not criticize him for grounding the plane.
     
  7. Libby

    Libby Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2017
    Messages:
    5,160
    Likes Received:
    7,192
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    You spin and spin and spin to try to make it seem like Trumps is responsible for this plane crash, and then you sit back feigning innocence "but I didn't specifically say Trump caused it" o_O Sorry, but nobody is buying what you're trying to sell.
     
    Badaboom and Nunya D. like this.
  8. DivineComedy

    DivineComedy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2011
    Messages:
    6,166
    Likes Received:
    399
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Good.


    “A pitch augmentation control law (MCAS) was implemented on the 737 MAX to improve aircraft handling characteristics and decrease pitch-up tendency at elevated angles of attack. It was put through flight testing as part of the certification process prior to the airplane entering service. MCAS does not control the airplane in normal flight; it improves the behavior of the airplane in a non-normal part of the operating envelope.

    Boeing’s 737 MAX Flight Crew Operations Manual (FCOM) already outlines an existing procedure to safely handle the unlikely event of erroneous data coming from an angle of attack (AOA) sensor. The pilot will always be able to override the flight control law using electric trim or manual trim.
    https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-releases-statements?item=130402

    Looking at this, which is for a different aircraft:

    http://www.airbusdriver.net/airbus_fltlaws.htm

    Now here is the thing, they said the pilot can override with trim, seeing the airbus link, I just picked the first link that popped up: Direct Law, “Pilot control inputs are transmitted unmodified to the control surfaces, providing a direct relationship between sidestick and control surface.” If that is not an option, “Direct Law,” the only option is trim; it is simply a bad design.

    Trump did not design the fracking “pitch-up tendency.” If your balsa wood rubber band powered plane does that, you redesign it.

    BIG red button, give me fracking control of my damn motorcycle (anticipating the fracking future).
     
    MrTLegal likes this.
  9. HockeyDad

    HockeyDad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2019
    Messages:
    703
    Likes Received:
    732
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Gender:
    Male
    Translation: Orange Man Bad!
     
  10. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    11,870
    Likes Received:
    5,315
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So it’s the president’s fault these planes crashed in foreign nations, because the left wouldn’t fund border security?? Hahhahaha wow MTLegal clearly sees the writing on the wall and is desperate
     
  11. Sahba*

    Sahba* Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2019
    Messages:
    844
    Likes Received:
    725
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Gender:
    Female
    [​IMG] 'Redonculous'... Tks for the laughs :) IMHO, the gov. should still be shut down - until bipartisan support, re. funding, for our illegal alien crisis is met... 'Circular reasoning' - "tail wagging the dog" is the best form of comedy & fodder for derision... OP did well here, lol...
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2019
  12. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,607
    Likes Received:
    3,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Speaking to Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in the Oval Office, Trump said on December 11, “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”
     
    Sahba* likes this.
  13. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    23,353
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You will need to forgive me for lacking sympathy for those incapable of understanding the distinction.
     
  14. Let Freedom Ring

    Let Freedom Ring Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2019
    Messages:
    623
    Likes Received:
    221
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Female
    "But...but... but...Obama ...!"

    Lol at the continuing desperate whataboutism. SMH.
     
    MrTLegal likes this.
  15. Sahba*

    Sahba* Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2019
    Messages:
    844
    Likes Received:
    725
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Gender:
    Female
    Unqualified position... - sanctimony & 'snark'... (expound some, lol)
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2019
  16. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    11,870
    Likes Received:
    5,315
    Trophy Points:
    113
    and it happened...the left refused to fund border security. Tragic
     
  17. Let Freedom Ring

    Let Freedom Ring Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2019
    Messages:
    623
    Likes Received:
    221
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Female
    Sadly for the Elephant, Trump rolled back restrictions of bringing "trophies" from elephant kills back into the country, putting these beautiful majestic creatures at higher risk.
     
  18. Sahba*

    Sahba* Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2019
    Messages:
    844
    Likes Received:
    725
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Gender:
    Female
    Michael Savage's mantra... (I'm sure you tune into the 'Savage Nation' as well), lol :)
     
  19. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,607
    Likes Received:
    3,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  20. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2016
    Messages:
    8,766
    Likes Received:
    6,833
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Are you absolutely positive that this is not all part of Trump's plan? After all, Trump ordered Boeing to ignore all the pilot's warnings to Boeings management that there was a software flaw in the design of that aircraft. I read that on Al Gores internet. Maybe this is all Al Gore's fault.
     
  21. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,607
    Likes Received:
    3,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yep. Trump: "I'm going to jump off the cliff if you don't give me my way."
    Tragic that he helped kill those people. Yep.
     
  22. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    11,870
    Likes Received:
    5,315
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hahaha trump killed this people Hahhahaha it’s tragic that you all are so desperate!!
     
  23. Sahba*

    Sahba* Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2019
    Messages:
    844
    Likes Received:
    725
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Gender:
    Female
    If, anything, a lull in production should have been a 'boon' for Boeing .... re. safety updates (if U know how the company functions)
     
  24. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2010
    Messages:
    34,905
    Likes Received:
    6,355
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I’ve read about it. But...

    The new policy does not mean that all trophies will be automatically permitted, officials said. The applicants will have to meet the same conservation and sustainability requirements as before.
     
  25. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    23,353
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are right. That was snarky and it did not need to be.

    I do not have any sympathy for people unable or unwilling to discern the difference between my argument and the strawman of me blaming trump for the death of those 170 people.
     

Share This Page