Border Patrol agents overwhelmingly support Trump's wall in new survey

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  1. Lee Atwater

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    Thinking border guards are experts on border security is a bit like thinking a bank teller is an expert on the economy.
     
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    Seems like, with caravan after caravan coming, it's getting harder and harder to say this isn't a crisis. Does anyone else wonder if the wall is stalled much longer that Mexico might actually pay for it? I mean, it would pay for itself eventually anyway with the services the U.S. wouldn't be paying for for illegals, but perhaps they might pay for it outright if enough Central Americans are loitering in Tijuana. If I were Dems, I would get it funded because if it gets built AND Mexico pays for it, I figure they can kiss 2020 goodbye.
     
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    Thinking an armchair internet expert knows better than those working on the border is a bit like saying you are an expert because you slept at a Holiday Inn Express.
     
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    Some do, and the 700 miles of authorized border fencing has been allocated to areas where such barriers are deemed to be most practicable and effective.
    Of course, the matter of Trump's "big, beautiful wall!" that he repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for is most pertinent to Americans most impacted by it:
     
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    Bottom line is border agents on the ground say walls work and they need more of them to facilitate and expedite the success of their mission.
     
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    Some do. Many confirm that there are more effective methods of interdicting illegal immigration.

    Trump's boasting that he is "proud" to shut down the government and vow not to try to blame others for his having done so unless he is given $5.7 billion of US taxpayer money for his "big, beautiful wall" that he had repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for is not going down well with Americans.

     
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    Once again the overwhelming majority of border agents on the ground say walls work and they need more of them. That's the only pertinent poll on this issue.
     
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    Wrong. Even if that were true (which it isn't) border agents do not dictate national policy. Americans who would be forced to give Trump $5.7 billion for his "big, beautiful wall" that he had repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for, and private property owners whose land he would attempt to seize, do not kowtow to the wishes of any public employees.

    Any federal agency's staff could insist they would be able to do their jobs more effectively if they were all supplied with BMW Alpina B7s, but the taxpayer need not satisfy their desires if it is deems cost-ineffective.
     
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    "As recently as January 4, the website for the Border Patrol union stated,"

    Good example of fake news dredging up a statement made in 2012 by an Obama man and portraying it as a current event. Boy did you fall for that one Hook line and sinker.

    "The deleted webpage, posted in 2012, argued that border barriers don’t tackle the root causes of migration"

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019...012-webpage-opposing-walls-and-fences-1081250
     
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    To answer your second sentence question. Democrats win this argument. Believe.

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    The San Diego beach fence is a good example of how even a minimal barrier like that can work at slowing crossings to a rate that can be intercepted. Now imagine a real wall- fence that trump wants to build in like areas that even army rangers found difficult to defeat.
     
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    Like good little soldiers they say what Trump tells them to say.

    Border Patrol Union Just Deleted a Webpage Saying a Wall Would Be 'Wasting Taxpayer Money'

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...saying-a-wall-would-be-wasting-taxpayer-money
     
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    According to the survey, a majority of agents agreed with the following:

    "a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.”"

    That says nothing about agents' support for building a wall along the entire border.
     
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    Give us the president's strategic border plan, be specific not the general bullshit.
     
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    Your fake claim doesn't fly. It had correctly noted the source:

    Border Patrol union deleted 2012 webpage opposing border wall
    01/11/2019 07:36 PM EST​
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/border-patrol-union-deleted-2012-webpage-opposing-walls-and-fences-1081250

    The accurate quote from the the website for the Border Patrol union pre-dates Trump's pressuring it to reverse their previous acknowledgement that the wall that Trump repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for is a bad idea.

    Again, it stated,

    The NBPC disagrees with wasting taxpayer money on building fences and walls along the border as a means of curtailing illegal entries into the United States.

    Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens).

    Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.Walls and fences will undoubtedly result in an increase in fraudulent documents and smuggling through the Ports of Entry.


    Walls and fences do not solve the issue of people entering the country legally and staying beyond the date they are required to leave the country, a problem which will undoubtedly increase as more walls and fences are constructed.
    Most Americans do not want Trump's wall, and the border districts where he would attempt to confiscate the private property of Americans are especially resistant to his targeting them.
     
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    What happened to Mexico paying for it.
     
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    And you believe those 140, .6%, are reflective of all border agents? Attacking the border agents the best you got?
     
  18. Josephwalker

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    So that's why Chuck and Nancy refuse to fund it? They are simply waiting for a check from Mexico?
     
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    Then we agree when you posted

    "As recently as January 4, the website for the Border Patrol union stated,"
    You purposely left out the 2012 part or you didn't know it until I informed you. Either way glad we cleared that up.
     
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    Didn't the president say Mexico was going to pay for it, so why would he need a check from Chuck and Nancy if it is already taken care of.
     
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    I purposely left out nothing. I accurately quoted the border patrol union's position concerning Trump's big, beautiful wall that was subsequently deleted.

    I posted their stated position before a Trumpbot took control and scrubbed the discrediting of Trump's boondoggle after meeting with Trump earlier this month. Up until January, 2019, it had been the Border Patrol union's official position.

    (See https://web.archive.org/web/20190104055705/https://bpunion.org/media-faq/media-faq/)

    The NBPC disagrees with wasting taxpayer money on building fences and walls along the border as a means of curtailing illegal entries into the United States. However, as long as we continue to operate under the current NBPS and ignore the problem that is causing illegal immigration, we realize fences and walls are essential.
    • Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens).
    • Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.
    • Walls and fences will undoubtedly result in an increase in fraudulent documents and smuggling through the Ports of Entry.
    • Walls and fences do not solve the issue of people entering the country legally and staying beyond the date they are required to leave the country, a problem which will undoubtedly increase as more walls and fences are constructed.
    • The NBPC position regarding walls and fences is not due to a concern of losing our jobs if fences and walls are built. On the contrary, the NBPC realizes that walls and fences require just as much manpower to protect them. Border Patrol Agents witness what happens to walls and fences when there are not enough Border Patrol agents to protect them.
    Your desperate attempt to quibble about irrelevancies may be due to your being unable to refute their points concerning the ineffectiveness of Trump's "big, beautiful wall" that he had repeatedly vowed Mexico would pay for point by point.

    It comports with the position of most Americans and, significantly, that of every border district's congressional representative who all oppose Trump's "big, beautiful wall" that he had repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for, and that of their constituents whose private property Trump would attempt to confiscate.​
     
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    As you are well aware that's not already taken care of and that's not Chuck and Nancy position and you are doing nothing here but attempting to deflect from the subject at hand. Border patrol agents want the funding for the wall and Chuck and Nancy won't cooperate as part of the"resistance".
     
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    No matter how many times you post a 2012 web page written by an obama appointee it doesn't change the fact that it's not current and has nothing to do with the current situation or border guards support for the wall.
     
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    The official "wall" position of the Border Patrol union through January, 2019 aside, you cannot cite a single poll of most Americans supporting Trump's "big, beautiful wall" that he repeatedly promised them Mexico would pay for.

    I am unaware of any poll of border guards, but they are not Trump's target for his fleecing of $5.7 billion Trump is demanding for his wall that he repeatedly promised that Mexico would pay for. Nor is it their private property Trump intends to confiscate.

    Again, the Border Guards' official position regarding the boondoggle until earlier this month:

    The NBPC disagrees with wasting taxpayer money on building fences and walls along the border as a means of curtailing illegal entries into the United States. However, as long as we continue to operate under the current NBPS and ignore the problem that is causing illegal immigration, we realize fences and walls are essential.
    • Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens).
    • Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.
    • Walls and fences will undoubtedly result in an increase in fraudulent documents and smuggling through the Ports of Entry.
    • Walls and fences do not solve the issue of people entering the country legally and staying beyond the date they are required to leave the country, a problem which will undoubtedly increase as more walls and fences are constructed.
    • The NBPC position regarding walls and fences is not due to a concern of losing our jobs if fences and walls are built. On the contrary, the NBPC realizes that walls and fences require just as much manpower to protect them. Border Patrol Agents witness what happens to walls and fences when there are not enough Border Patrol agents to protect them.
     

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