Boris Johnson plans to ask the Queen to suspend parliament from mid September.

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    https://news.sky.com/story/pm-boris...uspend-parliament-from-mid-september-11795978


    This is causing outrage on the news, and...

    I for one never thought otherwise; like people who tell me of an Independent Scotland... What independent Scotland? They're away with the fairies possibly puffing magic dragons, I digress, but my point is; they've lost a grip on reality and the reality we're in.

    The EU will probably say this is a domestic matter for the UK and say the deal is still the same, business as usual.
     
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    Auntie Betty has agreed so with a bit of luck and a following wind we will be out by Halloween. [​IMG]
     
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    Supporters of Boris Johnson feel Parliament was getting in the way of democracy.
    In 2016, the UK voted as a whole to leave the EU, and it has been MPs getting in the way of leaving the EU so UK can enter into new trade deals.

    John Bercow should resign since he take liberties in his role as speaker of the House of Commons.
    Parliament is broken over Brexit, this issue and this issue alone has paralysed Parliament. Boris Johnson did the right thing to make sure UK leaves on October the 31st, and to allow the public to hear this government's intentions in the Queen's Speech.
     
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    I voted in 2016, at no point on the ballot was there an option to leave the EU but stay tied to the EU thus blocking any future trade deals.

    It was either leave the EU or remain in the EU, leave won, let UK get what it voted for, without leaving the EU to be signed up to EU rule.
     
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    ...well yes...but....and there it is that devilish but word again....look my good man I'm not sure this a good thing.....I mean its one thing to march around merrily blustering wildly and harrumphing at the state of Brussels and all things confoundedly continental but its a dodgy tactic slicing the gonads off of the jolly old body politic and peeving the Sun reading toiling masses. Decidedly dodgy.....hmmmm
     
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    The EU can be sued.
    David Cameron threatened to sue the EU over access to the euro when EU threatened that only countries in the single currency can carry out transactions in euros.
    Donald Trump famously advised Theresa May sued the EU I believe.
    The gonads of WTO are gonads European Communities aren't able sever, the EU will comply with business as usual until UK seeks a new a deal (hopefully a deal not negotiated in a time where both parties agreed to exclusively work on a deal, but a deal that UK negotiates with parties and not one party in conjunction with the treaty agreed ergo; make competition for the EU with a list of customs unions and countries we want to trade with and be in or make a queue of countries UK wants to work on trading with, and not force UK into a customs union with the EU while UK isn't allowed to negotiate new deals with anyone else until the withdrawal bill passes if there is no extension.
    The current deadline is 23:00 GMT October 31st 2019. This genius move prevents parliament demanding the PM asking for another extension), since Brexit has broken parliament and now MPs work against democracy and the will of the people in an issue that has hijacked political attention from domestic concerns.
    An extension would be a making the article in question in the treaty agreed obsolete since it'll be running out the clock and to ask for a do over would be like asking to vote until the result is the result wanted by the EU who time and time again have expressed a wish in having no desire for Brexit.
     
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    Indeed. However in attempting an administrative coup one thinks that dear Boris may well have encountered one of life's banana skins. I'm at a loss as to what the tactic is - viz. turning the parliamentary lights out as it were - a devilishly cunning Baldrick plan or a complete and whopping failure of sanity! Whilst we both agree on the Brexit thing being splendid wheeze, denying the proles the ability to chat about it may be seen as irksome in the extreme... and have consequences that one may not intend
     
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    A cunning move however MPs have already voted on October 31st being the deadline and MPs have already voted to trigger Article 50 so have voted on Brexit, while the Queen's Speech hasn't been heard in years and a new Prime Minister has walked in; I also believe talking to Dublin's currently like talking to a record player with a recorded message from Brussels given an answer from the Irish Deputy Prime Minister to a camera broadcasted on Euronews.
    [​IMG]
     
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    That sort of encapsulates my thoughts. Whilst we have the confusion of inept politicians all running hither and yon queuing up with Laura for their time in the limelight espousing their views on Brexit or non-Brexit; you know dashing about sowing the seeds of mind boggling confusion, dear Boris has levitated himself above the bunker walls with a rather large "shoot me here" sign on his noggin. Every bozo with a political voice is now lining up to take their pot shot at him - rather than letting all the little ferrets scuttle around Westminster doing their own little thing, he's managed to homogenize all the ferrets into one anti-Boris bag, all with their matched set of Purdey's aimed at stopping his little scheme! The Donald Trump school of political subtlety would no doubt admire the application of their doctrine - if it ain't broke...break it!
    The chap has finally ghasted my flabber....
     
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    No land border = no brexit.
     
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    Parliament voted on triggering Article 50, it was approved, Article 50 was triggered.
    Parliament voted to force Theresa May to ask for an extension, an extension was given.
    In the event of no extension and no deal ratified, UK leaves the EU without a deal.
    What Ireland and the EU do is on the EU. WTO states as a backstop, it's business as usual. So the Irish backstop need not apply with the WTO backstop of business as usual until we all know where we stand post Brexit.
     
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    No controlled land border means the UK doesn't have it's brexit.
     
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    Who said anything about no border?
    The EU didn't; the EU said to stop us (the EU) from putting up a border, we propose to annex NI as a backstop; This didn't happen, so, they can't stop themselves from putting up a border. The WTO can stop EU from putting up a border since it's business as usual, but, this is only until UK finds a new deal.

    Where, however, does it say in the WTO that European Communities can punish a country for leaving it? - It doesn't. The WTO backstop is business as usual until something can be worked out.
     
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    I was so sad when I woke up to the Brexit news.
    Even my hot date in Croydon that day couldn't stop me from feeling angry at people in Croydon in the pub who were happy that leave won; the only silver lining for me that day was; When I found out about Leave winning (I woke up to the news, shocked).. Was that I also woke up to the news of David Cameron resigning - that was cool.

    I don't take to the streets to protest; but that day I wanted to.
    I knew where to go, I knew what I wanted to say.
    I however found that Labour had a coup and had moved in to occupy and hijack Brexit to save their own sorry arses thus blocking any pro EU demonstration outside the houses of Parliament for a week; the pro EU demonstration came in under the radar of that since by the time Jeremy Corbyn moved out, the media circus that came with Brexit had gone home.

    If you want to call anyone a calculating bastard in our time of need, talk about Jeremy Corbyn and his Momentum thugs who barred me from frustrating my anger and taking to the streets and getting told when my pro EU march was since it went under the radar and I missed it. That was the first time he annoyed me.
     
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    Parliament is always prorogued before the Queen's Speech which will be given on the 14th.
     
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    Not anymore it doesn't!
     
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    Indeed. The UK are reneging on it's international treaty and intend to establish a hard border on the island of Ireland in order to have it's brexit.
    I believe that the manifestations of that hard border will attract destructive forces, and there will be a new post brexit era of Irish troubles.
    As has always happened historically, due to essentially English colonisation of Ireland, there will be violent resistance to that English influence.
    There has been quite organised Irish violent resistance to the English since the rebellion of the 1790's, through the Fenian movement, the uprising, the 'old IRA', the border campaign from 1956 to 1952, and of course the (soon to be superseded) modern troubles since the late sixties until the Good Friday Agreement.
    For those who ask why there should be violent resistance by some Irish people against the English post brexit, all they have to do to find an answer is to look at the history of Irish/English conflict which comes around with depressing regularity.
     
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    There will be no hard border there will be no customs depots - no need for such things in this day and age - look to Switzerland and dairy produce for eg. .

    Past mistakes, follies, brutalities even James I and II and Oliver Cromwell himself are irrelevant to this now. The Good Friday Agreement is not affected by it at all, it has nothing to do with borders or the EU. Republicans are never happy and Stormond hasn't sat for three years anyway. Boris can only deal with what is the reality of now ---- That our only land border with the EU is on the island of Ireland.

    May's deal kept the whole of the UK in the EU until the EU said we could leave, with no possible input by us because of a perceived hard border in Ireland ( well there already is one but no matter) locking the whole UK in with NI - she has also signed away our defences --- not being openly talked about by Politicians outside the Lords and that one Lord was silenced fast by Blunkett ( Blair's man). Boris's proposal joins Ireland in the agri products and sanitary aspects of food stuffs - other than that NI is with us. The biggest prob was Ireland's dairy production - milk comes from one side of the border and manufactured; cheese, dried milk on the other - beef too

    I am still for a nodeal but we'll see what Boris's looks like and whether the EU will tango.

    The Leave vote was not about trade anyway --- or did you suppose it was?

    And ps I lived through the Troubles, a friend of mine lost a leg in a pub bomb near my home. I had friends on both sides in Belfast.
     
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    And PS I will be visiting my brother in Shannon in a couple of weeks, I have a dog in the fight too.
     
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    Well, people (including myself) have brothers and sisters in the US; both my brother and my sister in America, one in PA, one in NJ, are both now American citizens. Guess you would say I've got a dog in that race; I wonder, why should UK be EU first when UK and US have a shared heritage and value system compared to EU countries that are alien?
     
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    Alien?
    Sheesh.
    Other EU countries, indeed other countries generally tend to be human, as human and humane as the USA and the UK.
     
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    Alien not 'Aliens' lol - Alien in that these countries individually have different fundamental rights with their Freedom of Expression Vs. England's Freedom of Speech that America copied, the EU as a whole is also different in that the EU's highest positions aren't voted for by citizens.

    Who ever said the UK was humane?
    The EU made the UK humane, if USA ever joined the EU, that'll be humane too.
    Now convicts serve 12 year life sentences and walk out and move to Spain or France and no one questions this in Spain or France like UK probably has people doing this from all over European Union too.
    The EU's dumb, you know UK used to hang people right?
     
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    Put simply my point is that ordinary people tend to be more or less the same in every country.
    I am not sure what your second paragraph is alluding to.
     
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    Bring back the death penalty after Brexit, make UK great again.

    It's because UK joined the EU that we haven't got it, UK and USA both traditionally have the death penalty, but in the EU, now ex convicts have the right to immigrate or settle where they please, even murderers and pedophiles.
     
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    The death penalty, in Britain, was abolished in 1965. we joined the EU in 1973. It was abolished here mainly because we kept hanging the wrong people!

    France joined what was to become the EU in the 1950s. It guillotined it's last victim in 1977 but did not actually abolish the death penalty until 1981.
     

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