Boris Johnson wins

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Nonnie, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. Oddquine

    Oddquine Well-Known Member

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    Explain to me, from your superior knowledge and intelligence, just why you have this propensity to lift pieces of a post out of context and respond only to them as opposed to responding to a whole post or whole paragraphs.

    What does what Juncker did in Luxembourg, and the Luxembourg papers, have to do with anything? There is an EU directive in place now which is, once it is all implemented, meant to deal with that kind of tax avoidance. Are you saying that because an EU president was OK with tax avoidance in his own country, every country in the EU should be allowed to do the same? As well, then, that it takes more than pronouncements or actions by the EU President to make EU law (despite what so many Brexiteers think).

    One doesn't have to have an idea of how commerce works (and i'm not your mate, btw) to understand that globalisation of commerce, a consequence of businesses growing and expanding, have provided opportunities for those businesses to leech off all countries. What else can you call it but leeching, when businesses take advantage of the infrastructures of countries which are being paid for by taxpayers...their transport infrastructure, road, rail, sea and air, their social structure...the health, education, housing and benefit systems which maintain the ability of their workforces to work for those businesses..and then avoid paying tax in those countries towards maintaining the infrastructure which helps provide them with their profits?

    You see, you are taliking crap when you say that "They create wealth....not only for themselves but for the country" That may well have been the case before globalisation, but no longer, because now they have the ability to choose which country they create wealth for, regardless of which country they make it in...and that is the problem the world, not just the EU needs to address. Making profit in a country and then shipping that profit out of the country before paying any tax on it is not creating weath for the country but for a country of their choosing, and not necessarily a country in which they exist as more than a name plate at a lawyers office.

    I have never claimed that all businesses are immoral greedy barstewards (though I admit leaning in that direction when it comes to the higher echelon of bankers). My definition of rich? Income rich....the top 10% households in the UK and businesses (and charities and the BBC) who pay any member of management more than the UK PM gets (and I think he/she is vastly overpaid for his/her levels of comptence and has always been ) Wealth rich....The greediest barstewards in the top 1% or so of the income rich.

    GDP/GVA are measures applicable to economic statistics as something against which to measure debt etc and I didn't say the London economy, don't put words in my mouth. I said "Don't you think it is sad that so much of UK GVA is dependent on money laundering and hiding tax money.". and, in my opinion ANY money laundering and hiding tax money is too much, whether that takes place in London, Cardiff, Edinburgh or Belfast...though London accounts for a good half of UK Financial Services income. There is no good level at which to approve an immoral, unethical or dishonest act, even if it is technically legal under the law with its loopholes built in at the behest of the people who provide politicians and political parties with funds and jobs after their Parliamentary career ends.

    We don't have a meritocracy, if we did we wouldn't have employment quotas, we wouldn't have a government full of ex public schoolboys/girls and Oxbridge graduates with hardly a lick of human decency, commonsense and no more than three brain cells to share among them, and we wouldn't have a parliament with members elected by a system based on who they know, how obedient they will be to the whip and how good they are at regurgitating government propaganda to order with a straight face.. we'd have MPs who could actually think for themselves..or even think at all.

    And, forgive me, but until you learn to respond to a whole post, either as a whole, or paragraph by paragraph to save me having to scroll up and down to your previous post to see just what the heck you are talking about now..... I don't think I'll begin at all...and anyway, first you have to have a meritocracy to discuss its morals and ethics....and with the best will in the world, the rich tax avoiders, busnesses or individuals, many of our MPs are beholden to or involved with are more a plutocracy than a meritocracy, so I don't really see there is anything to discuss.
     
  2. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    well...ya see....its easier than quoting the whole post over and over and over and over again....
    I agree.
    but that was what you implied in your previous posts.
     
  3. Oddquine

    Oddquine Well-Known Member

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    Do you really enjoy pretending to be stupid.or is no pretence involved?
     
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    philosophical Well-Known Member

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    Boris have stated he want the UK to remain in the EU by leaving the land border open.
    Under Boris either the UK remains according to his plan, or enacts the will of the people to leave which of course means a controlled land border with the EU.
    The choice is between leaving and reneging on the Belfast Agreement, or remaining in the EU to preserve peace in Ireland.
    17.4 million people voted to end the Irish peace process knowingly or unknowingly, and moronic Johnson does not have a clue.
     
  5. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    well.....there should be no stigma attached to people with mental health issues....I had thought to feel comfortable and safe behind my keyboard secure in the knowledge that I'd be immune to the barbs of bullys such as you!! Alas, your comment is as devastating as it is insensitive...shame on you....you've put my therapy back decades.....
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Being thick and having mental health problems do not go together. People with mental health issues are often extremely intelligent....and it was you who got started suggesting Oddquine was somewhat thick to believe what she does

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/boris-johnson-wins.559171/page-2#post-1070802778

    just saying ;)
     
  7. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I suggest a "Brexit Doomster" thread.

    As the fear mongering news stories appear, they can go into the Doomster Thread. For example, the CBI predict doom and gloom, that can go in.

    That way, we don't get bogged down with all of those hoxes.
     

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