Brazil's new president says he'll move country's embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Well-Known Member

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    Jair Messias Bolsonaro, an avid admirer of President Trump, says US and Israel are the first two countries he intends to visit once in power after the far-right congressman scored a resounding victory at the polls, winning 55 percent of the votes.
    Jair Messias Bolsonaro, Brazil's new president-elect, said he plans to visit Israel soon and move Brazil's embassy in the country from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, following the lead of the United States.
    Bolsonaro, appears to be an ardent admirer and shrewd imitator of his US counterpart Donald Trump. And that could usher in one of the warmest bilateral relationships in the Western Hemisphere.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5383308,00.html

    What can i say besides .. Bravo :applause:
     
  2. Allegiance

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    Brazil is definitely on the right track.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "more than 13 million Brazilians are unemployed. "

    and they are going to spend how much to move their embassy?

    the article says "Like Trump, Bolsonaro masterfully tapped into voters' fears and frustrations to rocket to the presidency"
     
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    As lefty is destroying that country with their brilliant socialist economy what is there to fear ? Maybe like the USA they elected someone with a brain !
     
  5. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't have an opinion on that because I don't care of the jewish-muslims conflicts in the middle east. I just think how ironic it is that today Israelian and far right can be buddy-buddy.
     
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    Parts of the traditionally antisemitic European far right are courting Jews and Israel in the hope of an alliance against Muslims. I find their assumption that Jews and Israelis should automatically hate Muslims insulting, by the way.

    I'm not sure what motivates the Brazilian president to improve relations with Israel. Brazil and the Tri-Border Area are fertile ground for Hezbollah, al Qaeda, and Hamas operations, including fundraising and planning attacks, so there's that.
     
  7. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a lot of reasons behind that.

    First most of the islamic world became violently antisemitic for basically two reasons 1) The jewish-muslim conflict in the middle east 2) Salafism. Muhammed killed a lot of jews and died poisoned by a jewish woman which was angry (strangly) that Muhammed was responsible of the murder of her husband and her son. So yes, muslims who want to come back to the "roots" of islam tend to be rather islamophobic.

    There is almost no jews in islamic countries, excepted in Morroco because the kings Hassan 2 and his son Mohammed 6 were very good at keeping peace in Morroco by making the most radicals spit their teeth. Antisemitic preachers like Al Qaradawi are extremly popular among muslims. It's maybe one of the most powerfull preacher.

    Last, in Europe, almost all last antisemitic attacks were commited by muslims like Mohammed Merah or Coulibaly.
    There is a lot of muslim antisemitism in France, and jews globally have to hide.

    So, yes, the biggest threat for jews in Europe is islamic migration, not far right. I don't say that antisemitic far right can't be a problem, but clearly a minor problems compared to muslims.
     
  8. Pisa

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    I'd say the biggest threat for Jews in Europe is the far left.

    Modern antisemitism in the Muslim world is the offspring of the unholy alliance between Nazis and Muslim leaders before and during WWII. Salafism has nothing to do with it, being a religious movement from the 18th century. The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, on the other hand, is very antisemitic.
     
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    I think it has to do. The first muslims were a lot at war with jewish tribes. Salafism come from the root "salaf", and it's a term to speak of the three first generations of muslims. Salafist muslims think they have to copy the most the behaviour of those first muslims, Muhammed and the first califs. ISIS which is jihadist salafist sell slaves because of that. Because Muhammed and the first califs captured a lot of slaves, and sold them. I tend to think that the major reason of nowodays antisemitism in islamic world is the palestinian-israelian war, but it has other reasons, older than that. I suppose there would be antisemitism in the nowodays muslim world today, especially consider that they're against anything non-sunni muslim i(we just have to consider all the terrorists attacks against shia muslims and christians in countries like Egypt or Pakistan) if Israel wasn't created but less.
    Far left is a danger, but an indirect danger, because they will favour a uncontrolled muslim migration. However, they won't attack jewish people directly. They're absolutly delued and think that any foreigner is full of peace and nice. For them, different countries doesn't have different homicide rates or different crime rates, no everybody is equally nice and mean. They just negate that obvious fact : there is more or less violent cultures.
     
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    He's a Christian Zionist. The Western extreme right are friends with Israel as Israel is an extreme right country further along the line than many of them. It does make it difficult for European and American Jews who are not extreme right but who still insist on supporting Israel. Left wing Jews get on with left wing non Jews. On the left it is political. On the extreme right it is racial or religious extremism - they support Israel as Israel is intent on having an ethnic Nationalist State by taking over the land which the Christian Right claim Jews have in the bible. The Christian Right support Israel but that does not end up well for Jews if they get their way. It ends in Armageddon with most Jews dead and the remaining ones converting to their brand of 'Christianity' created only a hundred years ago, mainly from Revelations and other places where Christians are encouraged to be violent. So, that is part of the support for Israel. Really no support for Jews with people who want to see most of them dead - and of course part of that is getting them to move to Palestine. The other people who support Israel are the alt-right - they do not like Jews and until recently they supported the Palestinians and probably still do, but Richard Spencer has expressed his admiration for Israel due to it's intent on being an ethnic nationalist state and Europe's far right supports Israel and Israel supports Europe's far right. The left is not going to go after Jews. The Christian Right and the extreme right very well might. There is a difference between the actions of Israel and Jews though Israel tries to conflate the two. The problem for Jews is likely to be more that if they are seen supporting the extreme right, due to their support for Israel, they will not be able to organise and get the support they need, which would come from the Left. In the US the vast majority of Jews are not the extreme right and I think that is the case in Europe and the UK as well. In Israel obviously it is different and a very difficult, potentially dangerous situation for Israeli Jews who are on the left.
     
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    The problem with the Jewish theory, and it may be correct, is that both Ishaq and Taburi discuss that Muhammed was poisoned, and there were suspects, but no conclusion.
    Then In Bukhari, 300 years later, we blame the jews.

    Maybe looking for a scapegoat.


    This period, 9th and 10th century is where much of Islam is written so virtually everything, goes with a grain of salt.
     
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    It's not impossible. Muhammed killed a lot of people. The fact that a jewish want revenge and get it is likely. And the death of Muhammed is rather embarassing for muslims.
     
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    There was one case where Muhammed raid a village, and took a girl for a wife. after killing her husband, brother, and father.

    The night he raped her (Waited until her period was over) his men were worried for his safety and stood outside his tent.
     

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