Breaching Promises to Miners, Lying Biden Looks Overseas for Electric Vehicle Metals.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Zorro, May 30, 2021.

  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,060
    Likes Received:
    51,759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Breaching Promises to Miners, Lying Biden Looks Overseas for Electric Vehicle Metals.

    [​IMG]
    They were fools to believe him.​
    They were fools to believe his promises.

    The Democrat Party Leaders do not like them.

    The Democrat leadership do not care about them.

    The Democrat party does not deserve their support.

    Discuss.
     
    Last edited: May 30, 2021
  2. trickyricky

    trickyricky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Messages:
    372
    Likes Received:
    305
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    And you are ......surprised.?
    You pick up a snake, then wonder why it bit You? It's a SNAKE...
     
    XXJefferson#51 and 21Bronco like this.
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,802
    Likes Received:
    63,160
    Trophy Points:
    113
    what was the quote? that would seem the most important thing to have in the post if it existed

    the corps will decide where they buy and where they outsource too - sadly that is the truth

    we need laws to reduce excessive foreign outsourcing and foreign imports - said the same under Obama and Trump

    natural resources, it's ok to import as they are a finite resource, but my guess is corps outsource all the making of all the green new products overseas
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2021
  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,802
    Likes Received:
    63,160
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I thought Trump already saved the coal industry? whoops, guess that did not happen....
     
    AZ. likes this.
  5. stratego

    stratego Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2010
    Messages:
    1,411
    Likes Received:
    973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Coal is a fragile thing and it's never more than one presidency away from extinction. It is not ours by way of inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each president, for it comes only once to a people.
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,802
    Likes Received:
    63,160
    Trophy Points:
    113
    like the buggy whip
     
  7. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,172
    Likes Received:
    20,953
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The same is true for most policy decisions. One of the most back ass things about our country is our elections every 2-to-4 years and constantly replacing the leadership. This allows us to "have a voice", but our voice is not stable and the direction of the leadership is also therefore empty.A company wouldn't run this way, and it's practically suicidal for it to run this way.

    Van Buren thought it wouldn't be as divisive to have an opposition party, but he was mistaken. In reality, to have one party, one leadership and one direction is better for everyone as opposed to constant political infighting and changing goals and objectives.
     
  8. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,802
    Likes Received:
    63,160
    Trophy Points:
    113
    as long as those leaders are good leaders, if they are bad, your stuck with em
     
  9. clovisIII

    clovisIII Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2015
    Messages:
    1,542
    Likes Received:
    1,515
    Trophy Points:
    113

    You know it is possible to do both. In fact you would HAVE to do both
    You can encourage the development of local mining for metals used in electric batteries (Lithium, nickel, and cobalt)
    but for the time being the united states produces almost zero of those three metals. You can't just stand around waiting for mines to develop locally (and that is dependent on even having those metals available in the US (didnt look into it that closely))
    The US is going through a lithium mining boom with many stakes being claimed, but for the time being there is only one active mine in the US and it produces next to nothing compared to the rest of the world and compared to the US needs in terms of lithium
    I think the OP is deliberately confusing several issues for partisan purposes.
     
    bigfella likes this.
  10. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,802
    Likes Received:
    63,160
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Trump failed the miners - Sad!
     
  11. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,060
    Likes Received:
    51,759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure, Biden is willing to spend $Trillions on everything but keeping his promise to miners.

    He claimed he would develop "a domestic supply chain for lithium, copper, rare earths, nickel and other strategic materials that the United States imports from China and other countries."

    But, once elected, he dropped these commitments like yesterday's dirty socks. Instead they will rely on foreign "countries to supply the bulk of the metals needed to build electric vehicles... The move is part of a strategy designed to placate the Democratic Party’s eco-activists."

    Unlike the miners who they don't like, these eco-activists are insiders.
    And we aren't talking small potatoes: "Biden plans to make the entire" federal fleet electric.

    245,000 vehicles "in various federal agencies… 225,000 in the United States Postal Service… and another 173,000 in the military.

    That adds up to a grand total of 643,000 cars, trucks, and vans set for an upgrade on the U.S. government’s dime."

    And as an extra screwing of working class Americans, electric car manufacture will also be outsourced.
    The way you tried to communicate the shafting probably would have made them easier to placate until the next election booty call, but they didn't even bother to do that.
     
  12. 21Bronco

    21Bronco Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2020
    Messages:
    15,623
    Likes Received:
    9,299
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Of course Biden doesn't care. Mining is bad and evil. Let the Chinese do it. Amiright?
     
  13. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,118
    Likes Received:
    16,854
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Democrats are back in charge.
    There is one error in the op though. The class of materials used for electric cars is called rare Earth's for a reason. They are indeed rare. Until somebody finds some more in this country, and at the moment it doesn't look promising, we are going to be reliant on overseas supplies of these materials. What this really means though is that the pipe dream of everyone driving an electric car is just that. We can make enough batteries to power all that stuff until somebody can come up with a better battery made with cheaper hopefully less environmentally. The current alternative, lead acid batteries of the sort we've been using for a few decades now, life expectancy about five years and, well, made with lead a material that isn't exactly friendly to humans and other mammals, makes it something I'd rather not add any more of to the environment than necessary.
     
    21Bronco likes this.
  14. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,802
    Likes Received:
    63,160
    Trophy Points:
    113
    agree, batteries are key, right now infrastructure is needed, but eventually to get the ball really rolling, we need new batter technology

    the solid state battery looks promising
     
  15. XXJefferson#51

    XXJefferson#51 Banned

    Joined:
    May 29, 2017
    Messages:
    16,405
    Likes Received:
    14,885
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Democrats are determined to eliminate high paying blue collar jobs in America.
     

Share This Page