BREAKING: Mueller’s Prosecutor Abruptly Resigns From Roger Stone Case After DOJ Backs Down From Exce

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    The dude's 75 years old. Any long-term prison sentence has a possibility honestly of death. And his "crimes" don't amount anywhere near to that. The real crime always was Crossfire Hurricane and the Mueller investigation.

    We will never forget and never forgive the fact that we were told Trump is a "Russian Agent."
     
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    Promise?
     
  3. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    That's kind of cold(and I never pegged you as that type of dude. I mean, are you talking about Trump or Stone? Because, I don't think Stone's done anything to earn the level of political animosity.) Or is the animosity shared towards all those in the 'Trump circle'?

    I can't and don't want to promise it, but living to old age is never a guarantee. If up until now, Stone has been a decent citizen, I think there's a fair argument that he should be given a long house arrest. Let him die in the comfort of his friends and family.
     
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    LOL... I didn't know Trump was up for "Any long-term prison sentence has a possibility honestly of death.", but keep me posted once 2021 rolls around...

    Roger Stone is mega-scum... Calling him a decent citizen is an affront to decent citizens.

    I didn't think he deserves 9 years for his 7 counts of guilt, but 4-5 wouldn't bother me at all... Certainly he needs more than Cohen got, if for no other reason than Cohen showed some admission and remorse for his actions.

    If that ends Stones life in prison, I will shed a grand total of zero tears for that result... Older people go to prison every day. I equate that argument to one of the shitty excuses for Trump's Not Guilty verdict.... "We are close to an election"... Like that gives you a free pass to do impeachable things X amount of months before that??

    The only reason I would oppose prison for Stone is I generally oppose prison for most non-violent offenders. But until we have non-prison penalties that are actually true punishments, this is where we are....

    Long house arrest doesn't enter my equation for somebody with the resources Stone has.....

    EDIT - FWIW, I never considered Trump a Russian Agent... He was (and remains) a true Russian Asset. Asset being somebody doing things that benefit Russia against the interests of America. Agent implies employment or payment for the same actions, which I never thought probable.
     
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    Four have resigned. Donald Trump interfering so they gave him the forks.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02...epartment-for-shorter-stone-sentence/11956898
     
  6. AmericanNationalist

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    Is he scum for his political views, and/or is there other criminal activity that we don't know about? It doesn't give a free pass, but even HRC talked about leninacy when it comes to supreme court justices. Lady Liberty's being blind, also means being able to at times deliver mercy in judgments. The one with the hand who is merciful, is generally seen as a great judge. It also has an effect(not always I admit though) of making the offender truly repent for his actions.
     
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    Trump fired them? Got a credible source or just manufacturing another conspiracy theory? I also take note that you would convict someone without actually proving a case. Good on ya. At least you are honest enough to admit you would convict without a case. The House managers dropped the ball and expected the Republicans to do their job for them, as usual.
     
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    OMG, the drama!!!! Poor you. Get over yourself.

    The person overseeing this case was the same one that was overseeing the Stone case. She screwed up. The whole team screwed up by lying about their intentions for sentencing to their leadership.The Judge in the Flynn case is a Democrat. He is a good judge in spite of that. He has been almost constantly on the prosecution for not providing exculpatory evidence and not producing other documents in the case. He postponed the sentencing indefinitely. Now tell me how this guy is in the tank for Trump. I will wait.

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    Back to the OP. If this is not an obvious breakdown of the separation of powers, I am not typing this. A Martian is.
     
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    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02...epartment-for-shorter-stone-sentence/11956898

     
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    Anyone like me and believe this bloke is taking a bullet for Trump, and Trump has now intervened to minimise the damage? Jayzuz, Team USA? Gawd!
     
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    I heard on MSNBC and Fox that the prosecutors were asking for up to 108 months, far above the guideline.
     
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    Let's compare that to :democrat: James Wolfe's sentence. He's the SSCI security chief that leaked to his gf/ reporter, and lied to the FBI about it.

    His sentence? TWO MONTHS.
     
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    I love that the rats are fleeing.
     
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    The AG of the United States works at the pleasure of the President, and serves in his cabinet...that's how the Founders designed it. He or she is always in the President's "pocket."
     
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    How is this a breakdown of the seperation of powers? The DOJ is part of the Executive Branch.....all Executive power vest in a President...Art 2 of the US Constitution.
     
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    Keep saying that. Keep being wrong
     
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    Well, I don't think this is a breakdown of the separation of powers, since the DOJ is part of the Executive Branch. The Judicial Branch hasn't fully weighed in here.

    I'm not really sure what I'd call this...

    The quote that is rolling through my head is from the great "The Silence of the Lambs". Clarice is asked to describe Hannibal Lecter, and she says "We really don't have a name for what he is."

    That's the best description for this completely unchecked lunatic currently squatting in the Oval Office.

    We really don't have a name for what he is...
     
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    Rats abandoning a sinking ship?
     
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    Ah-ha... and a low level FBI agent made seventeen (uncaught) mistakes in FISA application :D
     
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    The defense claims that 24-36 months is the norm for such cases. 7-9 years is a disgrace - a Soviet Style Kangaroo clown show.
     
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    Well, you are clearly half right... the second half in this case...
     
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    to funny

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    The defense stated that the norm for such cases is 24-36 months - by comparison 7-9 years is both ridiculous and absurd. It is also absurd with respect to common sense - but, that what happens in Kangarooland.
     
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    I heard this morning from a former federal prosecutor that there is ZERO (I.E. No) chance the 7-9 recommendation wasn't known and approved by somebody at the DOJ. Whether that was at Trump's Pet level is unknown, but somebody approved it. Now if you want to say THAT person, or persons, didn't go above themselves for more approval, that's yet to be determined.

    Just common sense, dude...
     

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