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Insufficient. Exactly how much time will be necessary to demonstrate acceptable results? How many years? How many decades? How many more hundreds of thousands of individuals will be murdered in the time leading up to the point where a return can actually be demonstrated on the provided investment? How many of those killed will be private individuals murdered by the agents of government in the name of attempting to enforce a policy of government?

 

Repealing or modifying the 2nd Amendment is simply too difficult, the Constitution is organic law, requires a substantial majority and state governors to back it. Coastal elites in cities with well-equipped and abundant police have little need for weapons for self-defense and nothing to hunt, out in the hinterland (Trump country) the police is scarce and not as well equipped, there's a greater need for self-defense, plus hunting is much easier and common. Additionaly there's a very different general view of the need to be armed to oppose government tyranny; coastal elites favor more governmental oppression -they are the government, while in the hinterland individual responsibility is more important. Modifying or repealing the 2nd Amendment would require the support of both the coastal elites and those hinterland deplorables.

 

And refrain from enabling madmen to kill them

 

I see that the logic of my arguments is getting to some people. Too bad that their love of guns trumps all rational thought.

 

Your arguments are -entirely- devoid of logic.

 

I dont care

 

Oh I see, but Obama on the other hand pushed for the 2A to be repealed?

 

As one of those benighted hinterland dwellers I hate to break it to you guys but there are these inventions called radio and television nowadays and there's even this newfangled thing called the Internet I've heard tell of. (Lawsy, wouldn't Aunt Tilly get THAT while listening on the party line). Our police are far from scarce, have guns and everything, and even ride about in cars which can go well over 30, will wonders never cease. Not only that but most of my hunting is done from funny looking cans in the refrigerated aisle lately

In short, I am sick to death of city dwellers who move out here and think we're all a bunch of rubes who sit around on the cracker barrel and go on about how Trump is going to save us all.

Tell you guys what. Go watch a movie called "A Face in the Crowd" Besides showing how Andy Griffith was really a very good actor it will bring you up to speed on how most of America had caught on to people like Trump well over 50 years ago, Hell, well over a hundred if you remember P.T. Barnum

 

Libs shoulda took all the guns when obama was president

But the dems were more interested in teaching african men how to clean their penis

 

Yes, under the current laws, post-massacre, but you realise that there was a gun confiscation don't you?

 

Such a request would entail preventing illegal aliens from entering the united states, as well as requiring that individuals convicted of violent felonies not be allowed back into society where they pose the greatest harm, along with actually prosecuting said individuals with the full extent of their actions rather than dropping the charges entirely.

 

Then you are devoid of any legitimate reason to actually be present and participating in this discussion.

 

What does

Not selling the violent mentally ill firearms would be a much better first step

 

He didn't make it a centerpiece of his campaign, like Trump did.

 

There was.
They did not, however, confiscate all the guns suitable for mass shootings.

 

True. What do you think makes a gun suitable for mass shootings?

 

He didn't make what a centerpiece of his campaign?

 

Guns and gun ownership. He even seemed to hint that Hillary should be a target if she had won. I don't know if Obama mentioned guns at all.

 

At the time I posted this, it was the capacity to kill 17 people in 3 minutes, as per the Parkland FL shooting.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ia-able-to-kill-17-peope-in-3-minutes.530389/

 

For an individual to be properly classified as "violent mentally ill" rather than being written off as such after the fact, said individual would first have to be subjected to a valid mental health examination and evaluation, with it being noted by a professional that the individual does indeed meet the qualifications of being deemed as a danger to themselves and others around them. Without such an evaluation, nothing can be done, and no such evaluation can be mandated prior to an individual legally exercising their constitutional rights.

Thus the matter becomes a question of why individuals who are obviously "violent mentally ill" and have been evaluated as such, are not being housed in an appropriate mental health facility where they can either get the care they need, or otherwise kept away from the public where they can do the most harm?

It is far easier to prevent illegal firearm access to mentally ill individuals when they are confined to care facilities, than when they are left to roam about freely in society where they can offend and harm at their leisure and convenience.

 

That it functions. If that is had, the one operating it can easily figure out how to go about committing a mass shooting with whatever is available. The threshold for an incident to be classified as a mass killing is four or more individuals being killed, not counting the perpetrator. A bolt-action rifle is more than sufficient for such, especially in the current environment where the public hears the discharge of a firearm and mistakenly assumes it is firecrackers.

 

Mmm, so the land of the free stops with you?
If I dont care about what you want, if I dont wish to continue to engage in your claims... that does not take away my right to discuss with others if I want to. I suggest you review your intent to dominate others. You get the best out of people by being nice.

 

One cannot argue with some. They'll try to intimidate you if you ignore them lol

 

Sure, but what is the difference between Trump and Obama in terms of gun reform?

 

Obama isn't President anymore nor will he run in the future.