Brexit's happened, so why no border on the island of Ireland?

I have doubts that the British and Irish would embrace an honesty box system.
There is also the issue of free movement of people which is the state of play at the moment, how will that be controlled?
It is not only about goods.

 

...yeah it would be an interesting concept....someone would probably steal it and put it on ebay...

I'm assuming that's rhetorical? If not then since I don't have a seat at the table its above my pay grade I'm afraid.

 

Sorry I missed that. No I don't think so not in the context or to the extent to which I think you are alluding? There are old rivalries of course especially in Glasgow but I think that just comes out in the Rangers / Celtic derby - saying that it may have died out nowadays I've not been up in Scotland for a many years - apart from a few weeks holiday here and there.

 

I believe that is my point. The solutions seem to be above everybody's pay grade.
Those who are not hectoring others all the time realise that the border is a contradiction in terms of these islands.

 

I have not quantified or alluded to specifics.
Wasn't there a big fuss not so long ago when Glasgow Rangers had a Catholic player? Johnson?
And I also heard a story about an Italian Rangers Catholic player asked/urged not to wear a crucifix. Gatuso?

 

you're probably right...I'm not a football person, there are people in these teams and amongst the fans that shout abusive and racists things, I guess it happens in most clubs around the world. That doesn't mean they go round blowing up shopping centres, pubs and clubs or kneecapping people for being rangers or celtic fans or erecting barriers in the towns so that the two can't mix. I think your conflating football rivalries (for want of a better word) with pure terrorism and gangsterism.

 

I doubt that very much! Its just an issue of pragmatism, negotiation and concession. The two sides will come to a landing and implement the results of their deliberations. Since the discussions have not even started yet its a bit of a leap of imagination to go from where we are now to questioning results that don't exist based upon assumptions of knowledge. I can't know or comment on the facts that you choose to believe and compare them to the situation that exists are the moment. I mean, we can both come up with diametrically opposed ideas of what we think is happening or not or what will or will not be...which seems a nonsense.

 

I did not initially mention football, I believe you did. I simply asked if sectarianism is abroad in Scotland, it seems from your response it is.
Pure terrorism and gangsterism is something the peace process tries to combat.
Creating an enforced land border threatens that peace, and that is not only my opinion.

 

I have previously compared the notion of a border on the island of Ireland to the notion of a border between Lancashire and Yorkshire. There is the sheer Geography of the situation to consider.
You say I am questioning the results of deliberations that have not yet happened, but I am not, I am commenting on the lack of a solution.
If there was the potential for a solution in my opinion we would know about it by now.

 

Indeed you did but they are counties not countries and a very different dynamic exists.

That's my point. Its difficult to discuss a lack of solution when there has been no discussion about it the problem. Once the talking heads have concluded their deliberations and struck an agreement then one can poke holes in the outcome as ones perspective warrants. Should there have to be a sodding great wall built between the two countries then so be it and we can all wail and gnash teeth about peace processes and sheep wanting access to the greener grass on the other side but until then one can only make contingencies based upon best practise.

 

There has been plenty of discussion about it as far as I can tell.

https://www.google.com/search?q=iri...me..69i57j0.7759j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

Not 'no discussion' then, as you wrote earlier.

 

did I? Well...my bad...I guess