Britain could become a 'true global player'

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and build new military bases in the Caribbean and Far East as defence secretary says Brexit gives the UK the chance to 'recast' its role on the world stage"

    To use a metaphor, there's nothing quite so pathetic as the spectacle of an ageing heavyweight boxer gone to seed, and the only thing left to him are delusions of bygone days in the ring.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ld-new-military-bases-Caribbean-Far-East.html
     
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    **** Britain, ****ing institutionalised racism ****ing history and culture thereof.

    It's the ego that needs to be, it's the survival of the self, but it's standing in the way.

    **** it all.
     
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    It was the British who forced others to submit to their will, **** that noise.
     
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    .....is this guy on drugs or something? I mean we haven't got any money for this bollocks....what are we going to do!!?? March round the world lobbing Tenents lager cans and and used tampons at people... talk about lost the plot....
     
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    Hopefully the EU shackles will be off soon, it's never been financially viable having EU membership.
     
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    ...I imagine these supposed "savings" have already been spent, ringfenced or allocated by umpteen ministries, the NHS and a bunch of useless bloody aircraft carriers....in any case I doubt not one of us will every see or notice any real change to anything.
     
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    They probably have and umpteen times over. The interest alone on the national debt is greater than the yearly NHS wage bill.

    Part of EU membership is that we have send 7% ( I think it's 7%) of GDP in foreign aid. We even send aid to China, go figure that!! So you have the savings in EU membership plus foreign aid. Use that to invest in the UK and also reduce debt.
     
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    Not even close to 7%, it's 0.7%, and it's a UN target, not an EU target and it's GNI not GDP.

    The usual Leave campaign level of factual accuracy.

    It is true that we send foreign aid to countries which don't appear to need it like China and India (although there are areas in both of those countries that are very poor indeed), but that's an extension of the policy adopted by governments of all hues to use the foreign aid budget as a means to court favour throughout the world rather than to tackle specific humanitarian crises - which to be fair is what most countries do as well. UK "foreign aid" has been, and presumably continues to be, used to subsidise arms deals and/or infrastructure spend with UK companies.


    edited to add.....

    Though it seems that aid to China has finally stopped in the last couple of years
     
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    However much we send in the guise of 'foreign aid' will end up in Swiss bank accounts, so it's all rather academic.
     
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    Youre not alleging corruption are you?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, incompetence and breathtaking naivete.
     
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    Good point. Section 10 of this document provides an overview of what is being done to minimise this....

    http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7996/CBP-7996.pdf

    Of course, if the purpose of foreign aid is to build relationships with leaders of foreign countries (and hence bribe them into the UK's sphere of influence) as opposed to delivering aid on the ground then the funds disappearing into Swiss bank accounts is the desired outcome.
     
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    Can't open the link..?? Anyway, for me the whole concept of foreign aid just stinks. I mean we have a cesspit of situation in our own country so why should we send money over to other cesspits as @cerberus say are only going to ferret the cash away or buy weapons with. Sweeping statement but I'm thinking this isn't too far from the truth of the matter when you consider the basket case that is Africa for example.
     
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    It's all Bull'

    The EU, the idea of trading with Britain just because "it's Britain".
    The idea Britain has to offer something more just to be competitive, any illusion of being golden and that Britain being Britain is somehow 'good enough' reasons to trade with Britain, is all Bull*


    The EU mass control free trade instead of fair trade, all of it, it's all Bullshit.
     
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    Foreign aid is where you take money off those who can ill afford it and give it to those who don't need it.
     
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    Daily Mail. It's a lot of rot from a Tory, what's new? I'm pretty sure most people in my country of birth would see this for what it is - a load of bollocks.
     
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    I think we're a bigger basket case than Africa these days?
     

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