Britain Is Bleeding

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  1. Diuretic

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    Is the argument here that in the UK gun control laws create crime?
     
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    Was there not an increase in daylight burglaries when the victims were home at the time, after their firearm-related restrictions were enacted into law?
     
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    Christ knows -it was never a problem in civilised countrieS

    My great=grandfather was the last Liberal in my family, we don't go in for playing cowboys and none of us ever went to jail, so far be it from me to comment on the American way of Death!
     
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    Why are you so worried about us when you should be worried about the name change of yours to Englandistan?
     
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    Sure he was. Meanwhile liberals in Virginia and California have already given felons voting rights.

    One call call themselves whatever they want, it doesn't change what they are.
     
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    Don't know but that wasn't relevant to my question.
     
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    The research into burglary risks tend to suggest guns inflame the problem. They're a valuable loot after all.
     
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    Another falsehood.
    There are far more valuables to steal, jewellery, small expensive technology,
    More gun control ?
    Broken record syndrome.
     
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    Just a reference to the evidence from Cook, P.J. and Ludwig, J. (2002) “The Effects of Gun Prevalence on Burglary: Deterrence vs. Inducement,” NBER Working Paper 8926.
     
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    If home burglaries during the daytime hours when the owner was present did indeed increase by a significant degree in the wake of the firearm-related restrictions, it can reasonably be argued that such restrictions did lead to an increase in criminal acts afterward.
     
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    No it couldn't, given the low level of gun prevalence. Burglary rates actually shift according to factors such as drug addiction rates. The habit must be fed!

    Weird terminology too. Daylight burglary is more likely to find empty home
     
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    Poor bastards oughtta take a page from our book, whu, looka us all crime and violence free.
     
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    Any link at all to gun control? All sides admit that numerous factors impact on crime. Britain has failed in controlling drug related crime. It also arguably has the most severe inequalities in the developed world (reflecting the impact of right wing economics and continued influence of the Thatcherite disease)
     
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    And how is that socialism working out for you? BTW when does the name change to Londonistan become effective? Why are you so interested in the US, especially when the UK has its own set of problems?
     
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    Is this a serious comment or are you pretending to be a post-truther?
     
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    Lets keep it simple. Last question. What is it to you what happens in the US regarding crime? You don't have a dog in the game, yet you have your precious socialism to keep you safe and comfy.
     
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    Hallelujah!

    Why are you asking that in a thread about Britain? Think before you type!
     
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    I didn't pose the question, someone else did. Nor have I personally commented on Britain in particular. Frankly I could care less what your people do. The OP stated that crime was on the increase in the UK. Most likely factually correct considering your Muslim and African "problem."
    The question remains the same. What is it to you regarding violent crime in the US? The OP has long ago lost its relevance to the UK.
     
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    'Couldn't care less' else you have a logic problem...
     
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    Not really. The only jousting ( at least between you and I) seemingly has been about methodology. I do think one of your earlier statements even made note that you can't compare London to a US city or something similar. I was looking at some of the data from the ONS and it seems that that there is a report on crime in England and Wales that utilizes a sample size of 35K and is self reported. How does that work and exactly what is this? Under the circumstances I think we're talking about apples and oranges here. Like I said, the original OP has lost relevance.
     
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    You're making stuff up now. Why?
     
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    Originally called BCS. Its standard practice. Most countries have self-reported survey crime stats. Makes sense really as crime reporting rates aren't constant (e.g. its found to vary according to the business cycle)
     
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    No, what I have done is ask a few questions, ones which you will not answer.

    But this is your statement

    Now let's remember that official stats are problematic. But it does show two things. First, it is blindingly obvious why there isn't any empirical evidence from the UK to agree with the 'more guns=less crime' hypothesis. Second, any comparison with the US is going to be inappropriate.
     
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    That's very subjective, especially when so much of it, at least here is unreported. But of course for homicides, the bangers usually, but not always leave behind something called a body.
     
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