Britain Is Bleeding

None of which make sense in this thread.

Golly, I was right! Official stats don't enable consistent definitions for international analysis. That doesn't mean international comparison isn't possible.

 

Basic error. The use of survey data reduces unreporting error. Nothing to do with homicides obviously. You can't ask a dead person if they were killed. Bit obvious really.

 

But, you would have to really use hard data and not empirical evidence.

 

You're still coming out with nonsensical comment. Data enables empirical analysis. The British Crime Survey was the chosen data for Brit criminology analysis (for obvious reasons)

 

You don't have to ask. Same for bank and business robbery. There's video and a witness or two. After that it gets a bit nebulous. For assault it gets ridiculous. If you start looking at sexual assault and rape then it gets insane. Just look at the recent events here in the US. Memories of sexual assault 40 years old and suddenly remembered?

 

You're not going to compare international standard between countries with one based upon using a self reported survey and the other using hard stats like a crime report. It's just not going to work.

 

Most researchers, despite their chosen country of study, will use survey data. It ensures consistent definition and eliminates empirical bias. Are there additional issues with international comparison? Obviously. But such comparison is still possible.

 

Actually under-reporting in sexual attacks should be assumed. You continue to show bias, rather than objective understanding of data.

 

For lesser crimes of violence you simply can't compare because of little things called adjudication rates and in the US plea that of bargains. You can look at total arrests but in the US it's not uncommon for you get multiple charges, most but not all of which will get dropped. Therefore arrest rates won't help you either.

 

I might as well not have said anything to you. The point is that survey data is closer to consistent definition.

 

No I don't. Have you seen the US news lately? Even the elder Bush at age 93 has been implicated. Do you want to talk about bias and sexual and/or criminal assault? It's rampant in the gay community, but there is no box to check when reporting that sort of crime by sexual orientation. Therefore it doesn't exist officially. BTW ever hear of the Duke University rape case? How about Tawana Brawley?

 

Versus what? An actual crime report?

 

You can ramble on as much as you want. I'm not interested in your bias. That sex attack under-reporting is the norm is well understood.

 

Again, crime reporting is often inappropriate for analysis. Without consistency in definition, there are problems with time series or panel methods.

 

Ramble? I've given you rock solid examples of over-reporting and yet you discount them.

 

That sounds like a tactical retreat on your part.

 

Yep, tabloidism isn't interesting

 

It was a reference to how research is conducted. That you don't know that is not interesting to me

 

How can you say that? The UK has the absolute best tabloids on the planet. The Daily Mail is huge here. It even has a newly started TV show. The National Enquirer is just a piker compared to the DM.

 

Or was we call it here, a punt.

 

You respond with nonsense and then maintain that nonsense. That is your prerogative

 

I don't read the Mail. I do recognise tabloidism of course and you're a victim of it

 

The only nonsense is the stuff you actually believe. If you think your methodology works in the UK then fine. However it's not going to hold water in the US.

 

What I believe? I've merely referred to the nature of the empirical analysis and the data that is used (for logical reason). Get back to me when you have a sensible comment.

 

How so? The DM is reporting the daily celebrity body count on sexual assault, but so does just about every media outlet here. It truly is insane. Pretty soon no one will ever get laid if it continues. As an aside, a son works at a prominent investment bank and they were told to have a "no fraternization policy" after work. But yet they will have a Christmas/Holiday party. Such are the fruits of liberalism.