Bump-Stock Device Received ATF Green Light During Obama Administration

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  1. Crownline

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    Draw the line so it applies to everyone but the military. All law enforcement personnel must comply with civilian gun regulations. A cops life isn't more important than mine.
     
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    I thought we'd get there. Yes, there are already limits to what weapons civilians can buy - so is it really the end of the world Constitutionally if we continue to place some limits on weaponry? Does the NRA really have to fight for 20 round magazines? As a gun owner and lifelong sportsman, I'm worried that with no compromise on the part of gun owners, at some point after some horrific school shooting - they WILL be able to ban all guns because no compromise position can be reached.
     
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    I don't see it that way

    If you give in on the bump fire the debate will just shift to all semi-auto rifles

    Better to hold the line at bump fire instead
     
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    Do you think I might be accurate that there probably are a billion magazines that hold 20 rounds or more in the USA alone? There are 87 million of just ARs, not counting all the other rifles that hold magazines such as my Springfield M1A, Microtech 5.56 bullpup - and more. Nearly everyone who has such rifles has 2, 3, 5, 10 such magazines. Do you really think if it were not legal to have a 20 round magazine someone who wanted some to do a mass killing couldn't get one? Seriously, do you really think that?

    All I see is a lot of unlucky people going to prison, where most who have them don't, and now it is just a billion magazine black market - OR mass murderers killing more per incident opting to use other than firearms.

    My view is quite different, though may seem twisted. Every times there is a mass killing with rifles, I tend to in a sense be thankful the person used a rifle. Had he used an ordinary RV crashing the fence at 50 mph he probably would have killed hundreds, and thousands if he had simple homemade explosives with some drums of gasoline in the RV. Truck mass killing has killed more than that shooter did, horrific as it was. He is a pilot. Even his small plane with full fuel and some extra cans of gasoline in cargo and on the passenger seat probably would have killed many times as many people.

    I've already posted this numerous times. Psychotic mass murderers have existed across all of known human history. When I was in Vegas just a few weeks ago, it crossed my mind more than once that this is a terrorists dream come true and in the heart of the USA's "Sin City." What can be done to insure they will be no more mass killings? Absolutely nothing. They will happen. The only question is the intelligence, planning, skill and luck of the wannabe mass murderer. Fortunately, most have been low skills. He was higher than average, but would have killed far, far more if he had just gotten into his airplane and did a 9-11 on the mob.
     
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    I anticipate the bump fire ban will pass, though really it only would take the ATF banning it without legislation. Since I think it will be passed, I would like it passed very quickly before amendments can be attached such as shifting to magazine capacity etc.

    Reality is reality. A bump stock ban will pass. President Trump will sign it. A lot could possibly be attached to it if the debate is drawn out. Events like this have been used such as in Australia for massive anti-gun laws. Bump stocks are crap, let it go, then we can all claim we "compromised" and move on.
     
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    And obama claimed white cops are racists
     
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    Trump and Republicans have made it their endeavor to repeal everything the Obama administration has done. If your OP is accurate, this is one they should focus on reversing right now.
     
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    So you've passed out flyers around your neighborhood informing everyone if there is any trouble at their home they should call you, correct?
     
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    More lies........
     
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    If someone has trouble at their home that requires a cop with an ar-15 and 30 round mag that is 15 minutes away, the homeowner should already own it.
     
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    Is that a yes?
     
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    You make a logical arguement

    But I still prefer a forward defense to keep the libs as far away from any new gun laws as possible

    If you have to make a concession every tiime some nut shoots people pretty oon you won't have any gun rights at all
     
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    Like the man said, when seconds count the cops are only minutes away
     
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    You wish
     
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    To passing out fliers? No.
     
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    I live in Los Angeles. Several guns are banned here. An AR15 or AK47 have to be registered as assault weapons and cannot be sold or transferred. That means that I cannot leave them to my kids. So you can say "See!!! they're not trying to take your guns!!!" but they, in fact, are.

    I especially like your "Anyone have a beer?" comment. It shows a profound level of ignorance. This is an example of why two groups who want the same thing will not make progress towards reducing violence. You are more interested in making insults than saving lives.
     
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    OBAMA IS A MURRRRRRRDERER!
     
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    One, that's an "Obamastock", two, yes it would never have happened.

    Without the Obamastock this travesty would not have happened.

    The Obamastock turned a normal gun into a MACHINE GUN. If he didn't have a machine gun he never would have tried it with a regular ole gun.
     
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    He's also a community organizer who agitates, causes trouble and divides society.
     
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    Hell you could just print one. It's only going to be used once anyway.
     
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    Where is the OP wrong? Apparently nowhere because all you can do is attack the poster and not the content of the post.
     
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    I'm going to have to buck the pro gun crowd of which I am a member on this one. IMO if it simulates full auto it is full auto.
     
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    The OP is wrong because Bush didn't outlaw bump stocks and Obama didn't legalize them. It is a lame attempt and shoddy partisanship. What actually happened is that the ATF refused to approve of the bump stocks in 2005 and approved the ones in 2013 over a technicality. The 2005 bump stocks had springs and moving parts. The ones developed in 2013 didn't.

    The laws didn't change. The product did. One was a "mechanical customization," which the ATF could ban according to the laws on the books, and the other wasn't considered one because it had no moving parts.
     
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    Much better response, thank you. Now can you source it?
     

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