Burger King employee who never missed work in 27 years and got a backpack, movie ticket, and Starbuc

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    If they don't like the wage they're making, then they should learn a trade that pays more money. Flipping burgers is never going to be all that lucrative.
     
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    A job for children to cut their teeth on! Clearly the guy after 27 years should have known what-is-what after a year let alone 27 :)

    Get a real job/better paying job, that's the general way people advance thru life ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    It will never make a ripple, other than how much he gets off of GFM..
     
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    Yeah, I worked at both Carl's Jr. and Disneyland putting myself thru college and - well, this was especially true at Carl's - after six months the turnover was so high you were basically asked to be a lead at that point because everyone you worked with at the beginning was gone and you were the most experienced one on the floor! After a few years - for me it took two - you were an assistant manager; after a few more years, you could be an AM2 - basically training to be a full unit manager - if you wanted it. The District Manager where I worked had maybe put in eight years before getting promoted that high. Disneyland took longer as there was far less turnover but if you were working there at least ten years in some departments - likely foods and custodial, where the turnover was higher - you were likely becoming a lead and maybe in a few more years they'd ask about supervisor training.

    I guess what I'm saying is that these are reasonable questions here given the nature of the business. Unless you're some kinda special ed hire (I know McDonalds used to do that a lot back in the day) I can't see how anyone could AVOID being at least an assistant manager by that point! And given the way the BK close by is run, I'd say it IS being run by special ed graduates!

    The thing about fast food for those of you that never had the pleasure of working it - it could be pretty messy and you were usually underappreciated as all get out but money is money and they were really good about working around a college schedule.
     
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    $364,360 for doing his job. Yeah, that sets an example for people to follow...lol
     
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    So it isn’t about work to you it is about doing something you deem valuable and food service does not fit that definition.

    Thank you for making the point
     
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    Apparently you missed the inflection of the thread.
     
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    Actually, you're right! I was reading too much into the story, but it did seem to be framed around the idea that after all those many years of sterling performance at his job, somebody had to set up a 'GoFundMe' page for him to take a trip to see a relative. But, you're right... nothing about the story indicated that he was "careless and stupid", so, I apologize.

    I accuse others when they go too far beyond the boundaries of a specific discussion, so, I must be willing to observe the same restraints.
     
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    No Lifesavers would have been a deal breaker!
     
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    It doesn't matter what I deem valuable. It only matters what value the job market places on certain fields and the market doesn't place a lot of value on flipping burgers.

    My point applies to any trade, or field. If it doesn't pay enough, learn something else that pays more. Stop waiting for the government to do it for you.
     
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    Prior to “government” intervention we had children working in coal mines and still making poverty wages. Is that a trade? Should the government have not stepped in?

    In other civilized nations these individuals are paid a living wage. They are also assisted with child care so they can pursue more advanced fields.
     
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    Prior to the government stepping in, we had the company store system, too. Just because the government outlawed some horrid practices, doesn't mean the government should excercise total control. That's the problem with those on the Left, you can't see any middle ground. You can only see no government control, or complete government control.
     
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    I sure want to know the details of that 'health insurance plan' and how much Burger King pays has paid into his 4O1K over the last 27 years https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/070513/causes-and-costs-absenteeism.asp
    "According to Absenteeism: The Bottom-Line Killer, a publication of the workforce solution company Circadian, unscheduled absenteeism costs roughly $3,600 per year for each hourly worker and $2,660 each year for salaried employees. The costs can be attributed to many factors including:
    • Wages paid to absent employees
    • High-cost replacement workers (overtime pay for other employees and/or temporary workers)
    • Administrative costs of managing absenteeism
    Other indirect costs and effects of absenteeism include:
    • Poor quality of goods/services resulting from overtime fatigue or understaffing
    • Reduced productivity
    • Excess manager time (dealing with discipline and finding suitable employee replacements)
    • Safety issues (inadequately trained employees filling in for others, rushing to catch up after arriving as a replacement, etc.)
    • Poor morale among employees who have to fill in or do extra work to cover absent coworkers
    What do you suppose his hourly wage is, Creasy?
     
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    No, he's making a different point. Again, as someone who DID put his time into flipping burgers - although we used a char-broiler at Carl's and didn't actually flip them :) - at no point did I feel he said the job was of no value at all, but I mean, there's no way I could support my family on that job. I mean, fast food was always supposed to be a foot in the door to get better jobs. It's the old hiring Catch-22: You can't get a job unless you have job experience, but how can you get job experience when you don't have a job? Fast food was always the perfect place to get that job experience before moving onto better things. I mean, my Carl's hired practically anyone with a pulse - and can I tell you guys stories about some of those people, but I digress. Fast food may be a hard job with relatively little pay and few benefits but it's honest work and you learn a number of life lessons from it.

    Now that being said, I was much happier, paid better, and looked up to a bit more when I became a drafter and then a teacher! There's no shame in working fast food when you're a kid - but I mean being retirement age and that's ALL you've done ...? I dunno.
     
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    Where have I advocated “complete government control”? I think the best system is one of public and private competition except when it comes to rights and protecting the people. Hyperbole aside, none of you have been able to communicate why regulating minimum pay is automatically bad thing? If someone works 40 hours a week they should be able to live. Not some grand lifestyle but simple survival without government assistance.
     
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    I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you have said but it is still work and is better than many put in. There are hundreds of other examples where companies pay minimum wage (or lower) only to then be paid by the taxpayer because it is classified as poverty wages. That is the area I take issue with, the taxpayer is basically subsidizing the employer — this doesn’t happen in most other wealthy nations.
     
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    You advocated government control in your last post.

    Regulating minimum pay is bad because it artificially inflates prices.

    If someone can't afford to live in their salary, then they need to excercise some ambition and get a better paying job.
     
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    Exactly. There is nothing wrong with flipping burgers, emptying waste baskets. or washing dishes. The rate of pay is in direct proportion to how difficult it is to replace you.
     
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    Skilled labor vs. unskilled labor
     
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    So now it isn’t about work, it’s about ambition.
    Do you feel taxpayers should be paying full time workers because their job fails to bring them past the poverty line?
     
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    I think those full time employees should get off their asses and find a better job.
     
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    So full time workers… working 40 hours per week, almost half their waking time — should just “get off their asses”. That makes perfect sense!
     
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    it's sad that some can't respect someone working full time their entire lives
     
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