By militarily invading Hong Kong, Xi Jingping is setting in motion, the wheels of nuclear themed WW3

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  1. Bic_Cherry

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    By militarily invading Hong Kong, Xi Jingping is setting in motion, the wheels of nuclear themed WW3 to the world.

    I heard that one country two systems (1C2S) is Deng Xiaoping legacy. Deng Xiaoping did a miracle for China by raising 400 million people out of poverty and planned for peaceful return of HKG to China after 50years (ostensibly because DXP wanted to use HKG prosperity as blueprint for a Mao Tse Tung (his predecessor) impoverished and economically ruined China to emulate/ follow).

    XiJing Ping (Winnie) however, mismanaged HKG and allowed wealth inequality situation to fester and get so bad that HKG is now in turmoil.

    What XJP should do now is to mediate and maybe pacify some of the HKG students with some $$$ injection since China gahmen is wealthy with $3 Trillion worth USD treasuries in it's bank account. Either use Beijing $$$ to build HKG public housing or else confiscate rich people vacant land like what Lee Kuan Yew did in Singapore, and use to build decent public housing in HKG.

    If XJP militarily invades HKG, people will call XJP a failure because he couldn't even maintain the 1C2S for half the scheduled 50 years. Means XJP is a cannot make it communist leader. Whole world will look down on XJP and communism for being a very lousy leader that cannot hold a candle to DXP rule.

    All interlectuals will leave China for liberal Europe etc because they will interpret that XJP not competent even in Communism precepts to reduce wealth inequality and to take care of the poor. Police state in HKG will demolish HKG innovation and KBE (knowledge based economy) and leave HKG as an economic wasteland which will remain as an albatross around XJP neck as it remains in permanent state of unrest. All people will think that CCP under XJP is buay gan (incompetent) to have stable rule over HKG, a city with high GDP or advanced high income city.

    Taiwan rejection of control by Beijing will increase further and may even demand independence like what HKG students are crazily asking for since XJP will be adjudged a failure for needlessly reneging on the one country two systems masterplan that great PRC leader Deng Xiaoping put forward, having done nothing to resolve the wealth inequality in HKG, and if any, only perpetuating it further. Beijing will subsequently attack Taiwan for being belligerent due to the bad rep of Beijing amongst Taiwan people) and then bring WW3 to the world because USA is obliged to defend Taiwan against any military attack from outside.

    Both China and USA are nuclear weapon armed countries.


    Original thread source: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...hiur-name-will-live-infamy-becum-6095685.html
     
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    Just like landlord and tenant. If landlord goes into his own house without permission from tenant whilst he is collecting rent (from tenant) under a contract, then he is guilty of trespass in general, unless agreed otherwise in contract that he may enter at any time.

    Both sides must honour the agreement.

    Apparently Beijing meddling in HKG didn't give universal suffrage in HKG, thus the student protestors are probably blaming XJP (Beijing) for their financial penury due to uncontrolled wealth inequality due to Beijing meddling in the choice of Chief executive (CE) for Hong Kong. The overtly pro Beijing CE and legislative assembly has thus neglected the needs of HKG residents and thus the wrath of the students against Beijing meddling against the one country two systems (OC2S) agreed principle.

    The consequence of XJP CCP unilateral breaking of the contract to honour the HKG basic law / OC2S agreement shows that the CCP under XJP is an authoritarian, unscrupulous, corrupt and dishonest government that is ought to meddle with affairs out of it's jurisdiction and renege on promises it made to Hong Kong residents and parties to the 1997 separation agreement.

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    "The central government in Beijing maintains control over Hong Kong's foreign affairs as well as the legal interpretation of the Basic Law. The latter has led democracy advocates and some Hong Kong residents to argue that the territory has yet to achieve universal suffrage as promised by the Basic Law, leading to mass demonstrations in 2014."
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems
     
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    Think he might dare to invade, not because he is brave, but because he is corrupted and STUPID. Billions of human souls will remember him to be the biggest idiot who set in motion the wheels of a thermonuclear war, for all the most stupid and trivial reason of student protest in Hong Kong, which was to begin with, in no small way his fault (cos the failed leaders of CCP didn't guide the HKG CE/ legCo. to reduce wealth disparity even though that is a core manifesto of communist ideology and CCP was also blatantly interfering illegally with HKG CE/ legislative council elections for many years).

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    After XJP (CCP) sends in PRC (China) troops or police, HKG economy will surely fail as a police state after XJP reneged upon the blueprint of Deng Xiaoping one country two systems genius solution.

    This will reveal to the whole world that China's "socialist system with Chinese characteristics" is inferior to British political system which worked 'well' in Hong Kong for over 150 years. Even Deng XP promise to Britain and Hong Kong people of their own basic law, non interference in internal issues by Beijing was unilaterally broken by Beijing which decimated the HKG economy in 2 decades after HKG was successful under British rule for over 150 years.

    Based upon such poor political leadership track record, firstly, Xinjiang, Taiwan etc restive or renegade states will become even more rejecting of CCP/ Beijing rule and seek USA support to control China expansion. China expansion will be even more difficult as a economic wasteland HKG, will be a permanent albatross around Beijing neck and will convince China interlectuals that the CCP is a total rogue and corrupt government, on the path of downfall like the old USSR and even result in national rebellion within China as HKG students are doing now and as Students during Tian An Men massacre incident rose for. All these interlectuals will leave China like what happened during Mao Tse Tung 'cultural revolution' (more like cultural disintegration) where MaoTT manslaughtered 50 million of his own people from starvation under his misinformed and misguided authoritarian rule.

    Occupying HKG by force is the first step towards WW3, if not the decay and disintegration of China that Xi Jing Ping has no solution to. If that happens, XJP will probably be remembered as the worst president China (/the world) has ever known, a key cause of WW3 and who betrayed and decimated his own people on a magnitude much worse than Mao Tse Tung who killed 'just' 50 million PRC people.
     
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    And what does any of this have to do with the US?

    Taiwan has always maintained it is independent of China. And the US has not a damned thing to do with Hong Kong, and there is no way we are getting involved in there short of as part of a UN Peacekeeping force if things go totally into the toilet.

    And no, the US is not "obliged to defend Taiwan" against military attack. Heck, the US has not even officially recognized the state of Taiwan since 1972. It refuses to recognize it's status as an independent nation.

    However, it also refuses to recognize China's claims over Taiwan. And as such will react if force is used against it.

    So yea, the only worry here is if China decided to try and invade Taiwan. And since there is no SOFA or other formal treaty covering them with protection of US nukes (as is the case with NATO), the US will not use nukes in their defense.

    So the only reason this would even come up is if China invades Taiwan, and uses nukes.
     
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    China could simply cut off its power sources and water from the city and blockade the city and wait, there is no need to invade just starve them until they give up. But if the military comes in its part of China its not out concern and we are going to do squat. If I was China I would roll in with troops, force them into the Social Credit System and at 0 Points until they earn a higher rating and toss ring leaders into prison. And remove the government there and give them seats in the Chinese Parliament and assimilate them [lacing them into the main government and tie voting to a Social Credit Rating of 1,000 or higher.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    Um, only members of the Chinese Communist Party are allowed to vote in China. Not just anyone can become a member of the Party (you have to have references from someone else with good standing in the Party, and it's a bit of an exclusive club, they typically want the more educated segment of society, and people who will not cause any political trouble). And the voting system in China is very indirect. Party members vote for representatives who in turn vote for another level of representatives above them, and so on, so it's like you're voting for the people who will vote for the people who will vote for a committee who will decide who the President is.
    What ends up happening is that those who are already in high level positions at the top are the ones who decide who will replace them.
    And it's more the Party will decide who they want to join rather than people deciding whether they want to join the Party.
     
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    This is hilarious.

    We have no interest in China vs. Hong Kong.
     
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    We have a philosophical interest. But I haven't seen anyone with the courage of their convictions to go die for the liberty of Hong Kongers.

    Hard force is everything, words and hot air are nothing.
     
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    Yes Taiwan-China tensions will increase one notch when China invades Hong Kong.

    Hong Kong will do poorly under martial law and neither will China which will become unstable and thus possibly more likely to start a war for whatever reason and China has nuclear weapons.

    My only worry is that if China doesn't manage the Hong Kong issue properly and continues to interfere with democracy in Hong Kong then different problems may also surface at this inopportune time.

    Firstly, USA isn't in such a strong fiscal position now. Otherwise, why should China own USD$3T of treasury bonds? (A weakened US fiscal position may even lead to USA civil war and even balkanisation like USSR).

    Also, there is the global threat and challenge off global warming, thus there is now a more urgent need for unity and cooperation in this world.
     
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    In USA, every household owns a gun, which means that civil war can quite easily happen and maybe result in Balkanisation like USSR if some brave army commander comes to challenge status quo, shoot president etc .

    USA is very big, so as long as one big group of states feels self sufficient militarily to protect itself, then the USA may well break up into a few different countries across a continent.
     
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    It's been tried. Look up the War Between the States. The attempt failed.
     
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    Not sure where you are getting your information, but whoever your source is, their lack of insight is exceeded only by their hysteria.

    Both the techniques used by the protesters and President Trump’s actions make this different than the Tiananmen protests inside China that were so brutally crushed:

    The situation China faces in Hong Kong is very different from the one in Tiananmen Square three decades ago. At Tiananmen, the protesters were gathered in a large public square like sitting ducks where they could be easily mowed down. In Hong Kong, protest tactics have been adopted specifically to avoid another Tiananmen. The protesters are “like water” flowing through a huge and crowded city. Demonstrations are organized on the fly, via social media, and take place in multiple locations simultaneously. If China cracks down in one place, the protesters can disperse and start again in a different location. Moreover, the Hong Kong protests are leaderless, which means there is no cadre of organizers who can be rounded up to break up the movement. If China arrests one group of leaders, others will simply rise up to take their places.​

    In Tiananmen, the clearing operation was conducted in the dark of night and out of sight of the media. A Hong Kong intervention would take place in the full glare of the international press corps and under the scrutiny of millions of cellphone cameras that would record every atrocity for the world to see. And the operation could last for months or even years.​

    In Hong Kong, the terrain favors the defenders. The city is a maze of winding, narrow streets, many on hills, which would be extremely difficult for large military vehicles to navigate. If the military moved in, it would face determined resistance. China wants to break popular support for the protests, but a crackdown would have the opposite effect...​

    The one advantage China now enjoys compared with 30 years ago is technology. On the mainland, the regime is constructing an Orwellian surveillance state, with cameras and facial-recognition technology to track its citizens. The extent to which Beijing has wired Hong Kong is unknown, but protesters can still use technology to their advantage, communicating via encrypted messaging apps and social media. Shutting down their means of communication would also cripple Hong Kong’s financial sector, which depends on the free flow of information.​

    Finally, a military intervention would mean the end of Hong Kong, and that is something Beijing cannot afford. The mainland economy is slowing and might even be contracting. Trump is hammering China with tariffs. If President Xi Jinping cracks down, he will cause capital and talent to flee the city, which could kill the golden goose. ​

    Trump -- if there is a brutal crackdown -- can revoke the Hong Kong Policy Act in which the U.S. gives Hong Kong more favorable trade treatment than we do China as Hong Kong is considered a distinct entity, a brutal crackdown by China would evaporate any distinction. There are about 1,400 U.S. businesses operating in Hong Kong. If Xi impatiently takes full control, look for a significant drop in that number. Certainly a great deal of capital flight would take place, and China is having a substantial downturn. It even faces a food shortage and has set up a strategic pork reserve as a swine fever epidemic is devastating the pig farms on which it depends for much of its meat supply. A brutal intervention by China would end hopes of any trade deal, massively increase tariffs and further increase economic instability, leading to protests on the mainland itself.

    It’s curious that our universities are filled with brainwashed students and fourth-rate professors and administrators who hate the U.S. and its Constitution while in Hong Kong people their age are risking their lives for freedom, waving American flags, and wishing they had a Second Amendment right to defend themselves against brutal tyranny.
     
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    Hong Kong is a part of China. Therefore, federal troops would not constitute an invading force. The idea that this sets WW 3 into motion is a total absurdity.
     
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    One, China will not invade Taiwan, because its navy and air force would be gone in 72 hours.

    Two, China may put troops in Hong Kong, and Trump will not go to war, only increase tariffs by 100%.
     
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    If that was to happen, I think China is going to be worrying about a lot more things. Like how their economy is crashing around their heads.

    The last time this happened, China was barely starting to become an export nation, and the 1989 incident crushed that at it's start. And their biggest source of the time of international dollars (tourism) also took a sharp nose dive. It took them 5 years to just get back to the level they were at in 1989.

    First of all, it is not $3 trillion. It is 1.11 trillion. Stick to facts instead of hyper-inflating the amount.

    Ahhh, yet another who does not understand how that operates.

    Those were T-bills they essentially bought on the open market. And they have a fixed mature date, generally 10 or 20 years. They can not be called in early, and who actually holds the bills is meaningless.

    You have a bank account with $10,000 in it, guaranteed to pay you $1,000 in 10 years. Does it really matter to the bank who it pays? If you sell that account to your Uncle Irving, does it matter one damned bit to the bank that they now pay Uncle Irving and not you?

    Nope, not one damned bit.

    Oh, the market for such will take a dip, as what happened whenever any commodity is dumped on the open market. But it would purely be short term, and correct within a year.

    So no, if China sold off all of their T-bills, all it would do is crush their own economy even more (they bought them up in order to provide liquidity and backing to their own currency - much as many countries buy up gold). One of the reasons their currency is so accepted now is that it is basically backed up by the US economy. Remove that unofficial backing, and their currency then has the value that is not much more than say Venezuela or North Korea.

    BTW, here is some more information about T-bills. Do you know who the owner of the majority of them is? The US citizen.

    And while China is the single largest International holder of T-bills, it is only a small percent of the over $22 trillion in such bills being held.

    China hold about 5% of T-bills. That is the largest holder of the 40% held by International countries and organizations. The remaining 60%? It is held inside the US.

    Pension funds and state-local governments hold 10% of them. Mutual funds, banks, insurance companies, and other monetary US organizations hold 20%. The Federal Reserve itself holds 16% of T-bills. And notice, that is over 3 times the amount that China holds.

    The other 16%? Primarily individual and companies inside the US. They are frequently used as long-term holding for bonding purposes. If you need to have say a 10 year bond on deposit for $5 million dollars, the best place to plop it is into a T-bill. And if you need it for a shorter period of time )say 2-5 years), why you can also buy bonds that are closer to maturity at a higher price.

    The old form of "Bearer Bonds" is now long obsolete, but these in many ways are used in the same way. An easy way to hold or transfer huge amounts of money, without going through conventional banking systems. Buy $10 million in T-bills close to maturity, then transfer them to somebody else. Payment is guaranteed at the other end, no matter where in the world they are.
     
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    Yea, the second time you have tried to say this.

    Obviously you know nothing about the US. The US is not going to "break up", there is nothing even close to causing that kind of effect on the country anymore, the only majorly dividing issue was from when the country was formed, and it was resolved over 150 years ago.

    Oh, there are some grumbles here and there that some state wants to "break away", but it will not happen. Each state in the country is simply to dependent on the rest of the country for that to be at all possible.

    The most laughable ones recently have been California. A failed state that wants to have a temper tantrum, and most who live in the state do not even take these tantrums seriously. They tried to talk about it officially.

    The State Government crushed that flat, with obvious reasons. The State has a large economy, sure. But it is also completely dependent upon water and power that is imported from other states. If California voted to leave the US today, the water and power are shut off tomorrow. And at that point the majority of people in that state will immediately start an exodus out of it. Very few are even remotely interested in putting their lives on the line for the People's Republic of California.

    And even better, within weeks the state will implode on it's own. Huge areas of the North and Western parts of the state will themselves revolt and break away. A'la West Virginia in the US Civil War. Taking with them over half of the state's capability to produce water and power. Leaving pretty much Sacramento, and a strip along the coast from San Francisco to San Diego as "California", and the rest likely being "East California" and "North California".

    No, it is obvious you really have no concept what living in the US is like if you believe it will break up.
     
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    China will put itself in a world of hurt if it invades Hong Kong.

    If China tries to invade Taiwan, the Red Navy and AF will disappear within a week.
     
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    Despite mass shootings, number of households owning guns is on the decline. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/despit...-of-households-owning-guns-is-on-the-decline/

    the 'let's start a civil war' group is stone cold crazy and in the vast minority.

    In 40 years, homes owning guns have fallen from 50% to about 30%. Those homes are overwhelmingly middle america, not of the CW crazy stripe. You guys tried it once, and got the crap kicked out of you.
     
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    You are quite the peach.

    Seems Like Hong Kong Protestors’ Tactical Brilliance Backed Beijing into a Corner.

    This protest movement has wisely remained leaderless.

    With strong leaders present, the authorities could easily jail all of the movement’s linchpins with considerable ease. But with a leaderless movement, the authorities have no such power. The Hong Kong Police Force has arrested hundreds of protesters but the movement has not lost any momentum because no individual is vital.
     

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