CA City Councilman Claims Second Amendment Means Government Can Regulate Guns

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  1. Reiver

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    True! Britain apes the US. Isn't that a slice of irony?
     
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    The united state supreme court rejected the notion of the second amendment being subject to a judicial interest balancing test, and weighing it against the vague concept of public safety,
     
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    They can try...it’s the honest means, rather than the continual search for a dishonest means of branching the 2A, a search that has been unsuccessfully tried for over 200 years. But, then, the 2A really isn’t their real objective, but that of subverting the Constitution to achieve their real objective. The funny thing to me is they expect the majority of people will acquiesce, not understanding the consequences of their subterfuge. IMO, Trump’s win, whether good or not in the long run, represents a rebellion against the policies of the left. While many gun rights advocates see a slippery slope in any compromise with the left as it pertains to gun rights, I see their objective in a slippery slope of subverting a broader range of civil rights as happened in the UK.
     
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    And yet the federal government maintains the power to restrict firearms
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Uh...no. Try reading the SCOTUS majority decision from Heller vs DC rather than some wanna be ponificator.
     
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    The above does not translate to an authority to restrict firearms to whatever degree it wishes, however. Restrictions must meet the three requirements of strict scrutiny, including being the least restrictive approach possible of achieving a compelling government interest, in order to pass muster. There is no standard under which a prohibition on firearms would ever amount to the least restrictive approach possible.

    We know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding “interest-balancing” approach. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government—even the Third Branch of Government—the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all. Constitutional rights are enshrined with the scope they were understood to have when the people adopted them, whether or not future legislatures or (yes) even future judges think that scope too broad. We would
    not apply an “interest-balancing” approach to the prohibition of a peaceful neo-Nazi march through Skokie. See National Socialist Party of America v. Skokie, 432 U. S. 43 (1977) (per curiam). The First Amendment contains the freedom-of-speech guarantee that the people ratified, which included exceptions for obscenity, libel, and disclosure of state secrets, but not for the expression of extremely unpopular and wrong-headed views. The Second Amendment is no different. Like the First, it is the very product of an interest-balancing by the people—which JUSTICE BREYER would now conduct for them anew. And whatever else it leaves to future evaluation, it surely elevates above all other interests the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home.
     
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    It's California, the land of fruits and nuts. Where is the "big one" when you really need it?
     
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    And yet the federal government restricts firearms. LOL
     
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    Supreme Court decisions only mean something to the left when they fit its agenda.
     
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    Unsupported opinion
     
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    No, you prove it true.
     
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    More unsupported opinion
     
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    That is true and you V.G. prove it a true Fact by your consistent posts.
     
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    Trolls are like that.
     
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    Rather it is indeed confirmed, as it is yourself who is arguing that Heller does nothing to restrict governmental authority to restrict firearms in whatever manner it sees fit.
     
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    I have no idea what you are on about
     
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    Then perhaps the wisest course of action available to yourself is to simply refrain from participating in discussions that are beyond the comprehension level of yourself.
     
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    Very true.



    This is what V.G. absolutely refuses to see.
     
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    Or you could try not to post such an incredibly stupid and unitelligible post. I mean that's one way to go as well. LOL
     
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    If there is an inability on the part of yourself to comprehend the message that is being presented, that is the fault of yourself, rather than the fault of anyone else involved in the discussion.

    Perhaps the wisest course of action available to yourself is to simply refrain from participating in discussions that are beyond the comprehension level of yourself.
     
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    Or you could try not to post such an incredibly stupid and unitelligible post. I mean that's one way to go as well. LOL
     
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    The only one who has demonstrated an inability to comprehend the message being put forth has been yourself. No other participants have expressed similar difficulties in basic comprehension. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that the shortcoming is limited exclusively to yourself in this particular matter.
     
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    Blah blah blah....get on with it and make a point already if you can
     
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    The point has already been demonstrated. A lack of comprehension of basic english, and a lack of comprehension of how Heller restricts the legal authority of the federal government when it comes to restricting firearms in any manner, both on the part of yourself. Various points have been explained in a very basic, very straightforward manner, and yet they are missed each time by yourself, either due to a lack of comprehension, or a lack of willingness to listen to those who actually know what they are talking about. Whatever the reasoning, the one sentence dismissals demonstrated by yourself do not stand up to muster, or do anything to change what are actual facts.
     
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    More blah blah blah. The federal government still has a right to restrict firearms. Period
     

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