California becomes first state to cover health care for all immigrants

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At least you admit that the suffering and death these policies cause is an acceptable price for votes.
     
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    I'm all for Californians paying for Illegals healthcare. I agree that a state should make their own policies and use what ever state tax revenue to pay for it. Heck... They should expand it and give them a guaranteed income. That will change that state red quicker than Jeffery Tubin rubbing one out on a zoom call!
     
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    Wait... Progressive is merely a synonym of fascist!
     
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    Not really.

    Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy

    Prog is often used as an insult for progressives.
    Progressivism is a way of thinking that holds that it is possible through political action for human societies to improve over time.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a great deal for illegal aliens. Their income is off the books, so the vast majority are considered "low income" even if they take home more than the average worker.

    This is also a great deal for the cartels that profit from the demand this creates.
     
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    Incorrect. I said nothing of the sort.
     
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    I know right, I mean what could possibly be go wrong? The western Illegal Utopia awaits you illegals. It's sunny not too hot, dry as a bone, with many many good paying jobs. We should start a go fund me to help them move...
     
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    But, the Constitution calls for the government to fund the armed forces, not give jobless *********kers and illegal aliens free healthcare.
     
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    We are discussing the state though. You are all for states rights, yes? Now on the federal level the government absolutely has the ability to provide such through congressional action. And since prior precedent means nothing perhaps a more liberal interpretation of the welfare clause will be in our future.

    I would also disagree that the constitution calls for the military we currently have that basically occupies other nations. It was created for defense and to quell insurrection (and they failed on the last one)
     
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    I'm not saying they can't do it. I'm saying it's stupid to do it. Besides, Federal money will be used to fund the free healthcare and then, it's my business, too
     
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    Why do you feel it is stupid to make sure our citizens are healthy?

    Effective, efficient and obtainable healthcare has been shown to increase life expectancy, decrease disease, decrease emergency room visits and severity (which saves the taxpayer money). It has been shown to create happier and more productive members of society. It increases educational attainment and unwanted behaviors in our children along with decreasing crime across the board.
     
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    You support illegal immigration for the purpose of increasing representation, therefor you support all that goes with it.

    Its a package deal.
     
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    It's stupid for the government to totally fund healthcare. Two reasons: it's unsustainable and it doesn't make everyone healthy.

    Do you really want the people who run the DMV to run out healthcare system?
     
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    In California, illegals have exactly the same rights you have except voting. (Unless they check the “citizen” box when getting your driver’s license.) Employment rules are the same also, but with certain restrictions.
    The driver’s license has “Federal Limits Apply” in inconspicuous letters. We citizens now have to use “Real ID” for federal purposes like air travel because our California ID is not worth a split nickel.
    They work and pay for healthcare because they get paychecks, not cash.
    The lack of asking anything from them contributes to the divisive and racist language ghettos.
     
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    That isn’t why I support it and I said nothing to suggest that. I actually prefer increased legal immigration.
     
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    Well, the details matter. But if it keeps them from using the emergency room for primary and preventable secondary care, it could be a net savings in money, and definitely a net savings in lives.

    I don't think healthcare is the same kind of incentive as a job. Nobody really wants to need healthcare, and most young adults don't think they will soon. I haven't recently seen calls for not hiring illegals from the left, but I don't think democrats are unified on immigration other than treating them better than republicans call for.
     
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    I agree government shouldn’t completely fund healthcare, there needs to be a public option and a private option. It works pretty well in nations that do this and they beat us in life expectancy, citizen happiness, cost effectiveness, infant mortality…

    As for the DMV, those are provided at the state level — I have had extremely fast efficient service and miserable service. Recently they have been slow but it is due to antiquated technology and being understaffed. I would prefer them over out local regional hospital monopoly any day of the week
     
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    Then I strongly disagree with your comment that the pain, suffering, being sold into forced servitude, forced prostitution, sexual assault, extortion, and death is "cool".
     
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    You obviously didn’t read what I responded to, unless you think moving from one US state to another involves all that
     
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    I don't understand. How does that justify incentivizing illegal immigration (And what comes with it) for the purpose of gaining political power?
     
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    It doesn’t. That would be a terrible reason for illegal immigration.
     
  22. Doofenshmirtz

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    And not "cool" IMO.
     
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    Funny you say that. I've talked to several people in the past few years...including yesterday... who moved from CA to boringish Oklahoma. They have said they miss the weather but will never go back to living there. Conditions are bad...
    Yes it's frustrating when states act stupid and self destruct. But we live with it.
     
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    It's also a great deal for Mexicans who simply want to hop across the border for free healthcare.
    I'm guessing no proof will be required that they actually have lived in the state or country for any period of time.
     
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