California Looks to Ban Diesel Trucks Weeks After Facing Electric Blackouts

And what? My kid stopped using that phrase when he hit 12. Oh, and lol.

 

I don't see how they can ever ban gas station for the foreseeable future. There are 17 states that are stuck adopting California emissions regs, 16 if Virginia is sucessful overturning the previous governor's idiocy.

That's at worst 32 states that won't adopt any of that crap. If California wants interstate commerce (tough to imagine they'd be stupid enough to not) they're going to have gas stations.

And although EPA has yet to fully realize it (at least that they've said), WV v. EPA eliminates the whole idea of even trying to regulate CO2. Without a stick, EVs are toast in the long run.

 

That was due to converting to natural gas in good woke global warming form. Natural gas cavitates if it gets to cold which it did that year in a once in a hundred year occurance. Sacrificing reliability (that's why you stock in a winter's of coal before the Great Lakes freeze if you're in Green Bay). I wouldn't count on it happening again in Texas.

But California? 2 or 3 times a year somewhere in the state.

 

I picked a load up in Reno, Nevada today... broker wanted me to drive over to California to pick a load up, but I have a pre-emissions truck.

Even if I were driving a truck that was permitted in California, I wouldn't. We had five newer trucks, 2016-17, and had so much trouble with them that we dumped 'em.

We now own only 2008 and older trucks (pre-emissions) - and don't go to California

We stopped doing business in California in 2018. Will never go there again.

 

Weird your once in 100 years happened in 2011 (3 days only) and then 2021 (5 days where 700+ died)



July 14, 2022
Texas narrowly avoids rolling blackouts after 2nd conservation plea by ERCOT this week
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/texas-avoids-rolling-blackouts-ercot-conservation-plea/627253/

Texas leads the country for most weather-related major power outages, data shows

https://www.kvue.com/article/weathe...tage/269-b9e9a17d-acd1-48d0-a1a8-ada0efb00d06

 

Nah you're confused, Texas wouldn't allow that would they?

Texas leads the country for most weather-related major power outages, data shows
https://www.kvue.com/article/weathe...tage/269-b9e9a17d-acd1-48d0-a1a8-ada0efb00d06

 

In 89? Ok yah probably then, and a couple times the storm could knock power out…,stuff like that

 

Do you ever post anything that makes sense?

Of course Texas has other power outages, they're not linked to the big regional grids that can help them share the load. And lines go down across the country with some regularity simply because they're above ground. So what?

And I still have no idea what you're talking about in 2011 since whatever those links are supposed to prove doesn’t seem to mention 2011.

Seriously, what's the constant random spew supposed to be saying?

 

Easy....
The EU have banned the sale on combustion cars for 2035 and onwards.
That market is something like 450 million people big.
And I do think other European, non EU nations joined in.

The EU caused a race to the top for non combustion cars.
No self respecting car company is just going to fold on losing their current chunk of profit made in the EU.
So they are going to present their best electric car they can build. They are already on it.
Different electric models are being produced one after the other, to be ready for 2035.

And 5 years after 2035 when the dust has settled and this being a new normal, California is joining in.



How can you not defend this?




Seriously where have you been?
RAM, Hummer and Ford all made electric pickup trucks already.
I think I hear you lot cursing "blasphemy" lol

 

Sorry I forgot CONServatives have a hard time with logic and reasoning at times

You posited that the 100 year storm in 2021 was the only time it happened

In 2011, Texas was hit by the Groundhog Day blizzard between February 1 and 5, resulting in rolling blackouts across more than 75% of the state. Many roads around Houston were impassable, and boil-water advisories were issued in several areas.

In February 2021, an extreme winter storm event caused a massive electricity generation failure in the state of Texas, which resulted in a loss of power for more than 4.5 million homes.


Yeah once in a hundred year storm *shaking head*

Federal Gov't warned after 2011 Texas wasn't prepared. 2021 700+ people died so energy Corps could make more money

Costs to insulate the grid were estimated at $5-$20 billion. Texas Gov't said outages cost $100 billion, private estimates put it at up to $300 billion

CONServatives ALWAYS profits over people

 

MORons have an even harder time with logic and reasoning it appears.

Back in 2021 several ENGineers like me were talking about that power failure. I found it interesting because I'm an automotive ENGineer who was fascinated by my alma mater Ford's timely introduction of a 7500 watt onboard generator in their F150s (kind like mine in my 2017 F150 but upgraded with serious power output) and the conversation turned to what caused it. My electrical ENGineer friend had spent time working for an electrical utility in Green Bay and eventually, through news reports, we sussed out the cause. That was the only thing I mentioned because that was the only thing we looked at.

It's interesting to us ENGineers because it kind of highlights the dangers of the current "green" ideology to the primary mission of a power plant- up time and reliability. The pursuit of green nonsense has been under way for a number of years and it's getting worse as much of Europe is currently figuring out.

And, yes, not taking into account "once in a hundred year" events is a serious part of the problem. An electrical system that is built to be reliable under all foreseeable events is crucial to a properly designed system whose unforeseen failure doesn't kill people.

California, however, seems to be run by MORons (your party in general) since wildfires and power failures seem to be endemic. Mostly because of things like not regularly clear cutting underbrush and not adding water capacity when your population doubles or triples.

But you can continue to spew long, senseless screeds all you want. Seems that's the only hobby that's simple enough for MORons.

 

Yada, Yada, Yada

Got it, nothing about it happening twice in 10 years, your 100 year storm

 

Have you ever been to Europe? It's a whole different place. Smaller distances, more centralized in cities (that tend to be really old). It's a whole different game than California which is, contrary to their personal beliefs) not a country.

Yes, everybody's making electric cars in this country. Ford and GM have been making them for 30 years. Heck, Tesla's been making them for almost 20. And after all that (and substantial government kick-backs to push their adoption), they're only at a 4 or 5 percent market share. And only in light duty. I haven't seen anything real in heavy duty yet.

Ford seems to me to be playing the "placate the idiots until everyone comes to their senses" game the best. They've got an electric F150 and a new (in the last year or two) 7.3L "Godzilla" cast iron pushrod gasoline V8 torque monster that can be supercharged enough to pull your house off the foundation, for towing large things.

That's the game in automotive. True, some have gone all in on a market that may not materialize. Sucks to be them if it doesn't.

And since climate change is technically from an engineering perspective a fraud, the odds of California or anyone else in this country going all in on EVs any time soon are slim to none.

And with Russia, Sri Lanka, the Netherlands, and others running up against the physical limits of "go green", I'm guessing even Europe's not going to make their goals.

On the other hand, China set their "start working on climate change" goals out at 2030. Smart like a fox.

 

It's actually a technical term.

I'm sure you couldn't understand it.

 

Nobody believes that California to be a country as far as I know.
And the distances of trade within the EU is FAR and FAR bigger than CA. Get real.


In 2035, new trucks who are shipping (example) oranges from Spain to Poland are going to be electric trucks.
That's roughly twice the distance of any travel within CA.
And the EU is causing the truck companies to be part of this insane race to the top or lose out big time.

Your entire idea of smaller distances is true for the general use within the EU.
But people in California really aren't all travelling 2 hours by car back AND forth every day,
as if it's Alaska. Most people in CA live in big cities. Some live rural, just like the EU.

Aha. Climate change denialists....
Well. The EU has spoken and the non combustion cars are going to be a fact of live in 2035. And you either get on board or get left behind with inferior and expensive technology. The sheer wear and tear of having controlled explosions near boiling temperature is rather insane compared to an electric car.

While I do not know what's up with Russia and Sri Lanka. The Netherlands is just a country that, for no good reason, had as goal to feed the world by insanely overproducing cattle and pigs... leaving behind this massive amount of manure causing an environmental hazard. And they are going to axe it so hard that they will only mildly overproduce what they need. So what! lol

 

...Nevertheless, the international community should be assured that China is genuinely interested in leading the world in one particular sector: deployment and investment in renewable energy.8 China is already leading in renewable energy production figures. It is currently the world’s largest producer of wind and solar energy,9 and the largest domestic and outbound investor in renewable energy.10 Four of the world’s five biggest renewable energy deals were made by Chinese companies in 2016. As of early 2017, China owns five of the world’s six largest solar-module manufacturing companies and the world’s largest wind turbine manufacturer.11
https://www.csis.org/east-green-chi...ready leading in,by Chinese companies in 2016.

 

First, California itself believes it.

Second, California's a part of the US, which is far bigger than Europe. California's economy is dependent on all the other states. Presents a real problem when the rest of the states aren't going all electric, particularly if you're stupid enough to prevent other states vehicle from operating in your state.

No, physics. Look into it.

 

Well, you're not being honest

1st) CA doesn't believe they are a country on its own
2a) the US isn't bigger than the Europe at all. At best you can say the US is bigger than the EU, which is rather nitpicking. A trip from Spain to Poland is still something like a 5 days at best. And if you can do 5 with refueling, you can do 9. It is so, because the problems aren't getting any different.
2b) Other states are dependent on California and not the other way around. CA is flat out THE economic powerhouse. Other states are it's minions. It's port, is the only (big) one around giving easy access to Asia. Total win.
2c) Because 2b is a fact, it means other states do not have the option lets never mind CA and it's harbor that connects that part of the world. And you know it is.

And apparently you also know little about trucks. Plenty can detach their cabin part from whatever they are hauling.
At worst you get some hubs outside CA where electric truckdrivers trade what they are hauling with diesel truckdrivers.

 

And yet they lead the planet burning coal and world wide production of coal fire power plants around the globe

 

Well let's see here...

1) CO2 is not a pollutant
2) CO2 does not drive climate or warming
3) EV's require est. 50-250 tons of mined material to make 1 battery
4) the electrical grid is being strained as the left continues to succeed in killing fossil fuels
5) rolling brownouts and blackouts are inevitable
6) EV batteries are an environmental disaster to dispose of
7) EV's have a short lifespan

That's off the top of my head.

Common sense won't stop you though, will it??

 

1) not interested in climate change denialists
2) not interested in climate change denialists
3) compared to how much gas a car uses in 15 years... meh
4) easy to solve.
5) hasn't really happened since the 1990's. Forest fires, errors and market manipulations have been it since then.
6) Nissan Leave has been around since 2010. And no real numbers to speak off have returned them. Eventually, it might end that they will outlive the car itself... and it can be recycled.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlto...ed-delays-recycling-programs/?sh=2563250e5332
7) Absolutely not. A combustion engine has FAR more moving parts, dealing with extreme temperatures and controlled explosions. It is a disaster for it's lifespan.

 

Yes it's called power interrupting storms twice in 10 years, that cost 700+ lives in Texas after they ignored federal regulator warnings in 2011, so private Corps could make more $$$$$

 

Your ignorance of history noted, Cali which is the worlds 5th largest economy, and over 40% larger than the next biggest states economy



California is home to some of the country's strictest environmental regulations. Those standards can sometimes spread to other states and beyond. It's known as the "California Effect."


The impact of California's environmental regulations ripples across the U.S.


Now that California has banned the sale of new gas-powered cars by 2035, other states may follow and adopt those stricter standards. It's actually happened plenty before.




https://www.npr.org/2022/09/09/1121...ironmental-regulations-ripples-across-the-u-s

 

Yep in less than 30 years went from a less than 3rd world nation to second only to USA

Look into how the USA did it, very similar including protectionists policies

 

Rising carbon dioxide (CO2) levels from burning fossil fuels have been linked to sea level changes, snowmelt, disease, heat stress, severe weather, and ocean acidification. Yet because it does not affect respiration directly, CO2 is not considered a classic air pollutant.


The Environment Protection Agency has classified greenhouse gasses, especially from vehicle emissions, as a form of pollution. Globally, 76% of greenhouse gas emissions are CO2

Piles of scientific studies conclude that CO2 and other greehouse gasses are causing global temperatures to rise.