Calling all infidels.

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    muslims are “the best of people, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong” (koran 3:110), while non-muslims are “the most vile of created beings” (koran 98:6). So why should muslims, who are the people on earth who enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong, ever accept the rule or the laws of the non-muslims?
    “Only hell awaits if non-Muslims lead, Hadi says in piece calling for Islamic supremacy,” by Zurairi AR, Malay Mail, January 8, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

    KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 8 — Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang has delivered a warning to muslims to place their trust in muslim leaders regardless of their wickedness, claiming that believers will end up in hell if led by non-muslims.
    In a lengthy opinion piece titled “Rule of Law: Where is allah?” today, the PAS president stressed the importance of religion in keeping the law, and the importance for islam to reign supreme in the governance of country.
    “If the one leading is a muslim, even if he were cruel, at least (others) can become cattle herders,” the Marang MP wrote.
    “But if the one who leads is a non-muslim, even if he were the kindest, (others) can work however they wish but without any limits of what is ‘halal’ and ‘haram’ they will still end up in hell.”
    His remark was a rehash of a quote he frequently cites from muhammad ibn Abbad al-mu’tamid from the abbadid dynasty, the third and last ruler of Seville under al-Andalus, the medieval muslim territory over Iberia.
    As his kingdom fell to Moroccan Berber invaders, al-Mu’tamid was quoted saying: “I have no desire to be branded by my descendants as the man who delivered al-Andalus as prey to the infidels I would rather be a camel-driver in Africa than a swineherd in Castile”.
    In his piece, Hadi stressed that the country can only be saved with guidance from allah, including a faith-based judiciary that is superior to man-made laws.
    He also claimed that only an islamic party deserves to inherit koranic teachings to provide such guidance — a veiled reference to his own Islamist party — rather than party devoid of morals and faith to God and his prophet.
    In his dissection of the “Rule of Law”, hadi had urged for prophet muhammad to be the role model of law-keeping, including forsaking revenge by pardoning those who repented.
    “Don’t ever take the infidelic West as an example, because the best of them will still end up in hell, since their kindness is without any faith to allah and the End Times,” he wrote….

    Nazism preached a master race. Marxism preaches a master class, i.e., the so-called proletariat (I use the present tense here because Marxism is yet very much alive, unlike Nazism which is practically dead, since it appeals especially to intellectuals, who still have much influence in higher education in the West and who are devoid of common sense and, in general, are pathetic human beings). And islam preaches a master faith.

    It is highly important, I would argue, to comprehend the connection between these three warped belief systems because, you see, islam, Marxism and Nazism are all totalitarian ideologies and they have much in common. Certainly one thing they have in common is an animosity to freedom. Another matter they have in common is that they are so keen on dividing humanity into “us v. them.” And the “them” is either to be assigned to second-class status in this world or to be killed. For Nazism, the “them” is racial and ethnic in composition. For Marxism, the “them” is a socio-economic classification, i.e., the upper and middle classes. And for islam, the “them” are non-believers. This is ominous because it invariably leads to destruction or subordination of a good portion of the human species.

    Oh yes, many religions threaten a person for not believing or doing something in this life with dire consequences of what will happen in the next life if you don’t properly “believe or do.” Religions aplenty also threaten what their deity might do in this life if you are a “shirker.” But only islam, and so very like its secular counterparts, Nazism and Marxism, has an extra threat, to wit, what its believers are allowed to do to the “them” in this life.

    In capsule form, this is why islam, alone among the major ideologies of the world, is treacherous, inimical to liberty and evil. Miss how islam is the “odd-man out” among the major ideologies of the world, and how it has so much in common with the secular totalitarian ideologies of Nazism and Marxism, and you miss almost everything—and missing almost everything does not, nor has it ever, nor should it ever, contribute greatly to the credit of a human being.

    And dont forget... the islamic principle of al-wala wal-baraa, “loyalty and disavowal,” which means loving what allah loves and hating what he hates. infidels, he believes, are the enemy of allah, and so believers should hate them and wish them to die.
    Al-wala' wa-l-bara' (Arabic: الولاء والبراء‎) is a concept in islam, literally "loyalty and disavowal", which signifies loving and hating for the sake of allah. Al-wala' wa-l-bara' is referred to as holding fast to all that is pleasing to God, and withdrawing from and opposing all that is displeasing to allah, for the sake of allah. This is for their calling towards something other than submission to allah, whether on purpose or by nature of disbelief. Loving for the sake of allah means to love allah and to show loyalty to him by following his shariah. It means to love all that is good and permissible in the koran and sunnah. This type of love requires one to defend allah's deen and to preserve it. It is to love those who are obedient to allah and to defend and assist them. Hating for the sake of allah signifies showing anger towards those who oppose allah, his messenger, his deen, and the believers.
    (deen means a way of life...not religion...)
     
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    I got interested in Islam after 9/11, and noticed the change in the way the people react over the years.
    A while back, nobody knew anything about Islam and the Muslims on chat sites would BS their way through anything.
    Something they still do in public, where they don't have to answer for what they say.

    Now, more and more westerns are learning about the religion, and the Muslims are avoiding confrontation,
    Usually making excuses and slithering away.

    Eventually the general public will know enough to question the BS we are fed by the powers that be.
     
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    You may have posted before I finished the OP...its now complete...
     
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    islam 101...now pay attention kiddies....
     
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    Just a bit extra here for those interested.

    The Arabic word for peace is Salaam. Its actually just the drawn-out pronunciation of Islam, and in Arabic they are essentially the same word. This is what is meant by 'Islam is the Religion of Peace.'

    However, the meaning of the word Salaam does not translate directly to English or any other 'western' language because Salaam is not the peace that results from a lack of violence, rather it is the peace that results from a lack of disobedience. Salaam is achieved when Muslims obey their Clerics, women obey their men and non-Muslims obey Muslims (by ultimately converting), and all obey Allah. Violence toward this end is in the pursuit of Salaam (and therefore Islam) and not only justified, but looked upon favorably because 'peace', or Salaam, cannot be achieved without obedience. 'Al-salaam alikam' means 'peace be upon you.' Literally, it means 'may your subordinates always obey you, and may you always obey your superiors.' Because that is how peace is achieved in Islam.

    In my view, Islam is the Religion of Authoritarianism.

    The concept of peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims does not exist within Orthodox Islam. There are however many individual Muslims (and a few small sects) who understand and embrace this concept, having learned it extraculturally, and they should be embraced by all non-muslims for doing so, because they are as heretics to the Muslim 'Orthodoxy', or religious establishment, and are as much an enemy to that establishment as non-Muslims. If Islam is ever to experience a meaningful reform, like that which turned Christianity, Judaism and most of the worlds other religious orthodoxies away from the practice of 'conversion by sword', these 'heretics' will be the harbinger of such a reform. And that needs to happen, like, yesterday.
     
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    Thanx for commenting......
     
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    Salaam sounds a bit like shalom. I think Islam means submission to God.
     
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    See post #5
     
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...th-threats-supports-ex-Muslims-Australia.html
    And cats suggest that I should get to know them....no thanx...not in a million years....
    So-called peaceful muslims are also compelled by fear to keep quiet about this stuff….because they’d be classified as non-muslims by the islamists in their own communities.
    For many, they may not believe, they may not act out mohammad’s demands…but they know enough to keep their mouths shut…..or else!
    Furthermore,our political masters are silent on matters like this for a very simple reason. VOTES.
    They want to hang on to their high paid do nothing “jobs”.
    And the easiest way is to suck up to the voters in your electorate.
    And of course this now means large numbers of muslims who are very vocal and as such the spineless politicians fawn to “these peaceful, misunderstood people”.
    muslims on social media “who regard apostasy, or renouncing islam, as a sin worthy of death” do so because that is what sharia law stipulates. It is not their personal choice.

    sharia also stipulates that there is no penalty for killing such a person vigilante-style because that person is “someone who deserves to die” (Manual of islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller” o8.4).

    In islam your brother (or sister) doubles as your executioner. This woman’s male relatives will regard her leaving islam as a terminal challenge to their male supremacist ownership of her (misnamed “honor”) and will seek to kill her for that reason.
     
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    The death penalty for apostasy is part of islamic law. It’s based on the koran: “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (koran 4:89)

    A hadith depicts mohammad saying: “Whoever changed his islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of islamic law according to all the schools of islamic jurisprudence.

    This is still the position of all the schools of islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”

    Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, slam wouldn’t exist today.”

    Seems topical atm.....
     
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    Here is what mohammad said would happen when Jesus first returned:

    He [Jesus] will descend while wearing two long, light yellow garments. His head appears to be dripping water, even though no moisture touched it. He will break the cross, kill the pig, and banish the Jizyah and will call the people to islam. During his time, allah will destroy all religions except islam...'Isa will remain for forty years and then will die, and muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him.

    Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol. 3, p. 32

    So during those forty years after Jesus returned, allah would destroy all religions except islam, and Jesus would be breaking the cross of Christianity and calling the people to islam. The Jizyah is the protection money demanded of Jews and Christians in 9:29 of the Koran in lieu of fighting to the death or converting to islam. So when islam’s Jesus returns to earth, the Jizyah will be banished simply because the only religion allowed will be islam.

    Looks like the rest of us are rooted............
     
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    It would seem as thought the inventors of "islamaphobia" have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams in silencing criticism of islam.
    The idea that opposing jihad mass murder and sharia oppression of women, non-muslims and others would be stigmatized and marginalized to the degree that it is today is breathtaking. Most people now take for granted that any negative statement regarding islam, even criticism of jihad terrorists, is “islamophobic” and to be shunned and silenced. And so the advancing jihad is essentially unopposed; most people are afraid to say a word. And the social media giants are steadily choking off all criticism of islam; even MasterCard and Discover have now begun denying their services to those who dare to violate sharia blasphemy laws.
    It seems ridiculous that we can criticise any religion, catholicism, buddism, jehovahs witnesses, seventh day adventists, mormons..etc the list is endless...we can criticise politicians, we can call Trump the worst
    President ever....people can even say "we are going to impeach the mother-fuker"
    We can criticize politicians for anything and everything until the cows come home...from wasting public funds, for incompetence, for the disgraceful lack of legislation in nursing homes....
    We can criticize the soft sentencing by courts and magistrates...
    We can criticize the slack parole and bail legislation which allows criminals to be at large when their bail or parole should be refused...
    We can criticize the lack of a sex offenders register.
    We can criticize the pathetic politicians when it comes to environmental issues, such as the barrier reef, the rivers, global warming...
    We can criticize everything under the sun......
    BUT we cant criticize islam........
    Attempts to monitor mosques for hate speech and threats to the public order — such as were tried in New York — are denounced by politicians such as New York’s Mayor Bill de Blasio. Fear of islamophobia accusations has now become a serious inhibition to those charged with public safety, just as fear of racism accusations has long inhibited government authorities from dealing with serious breaches of the law throughout the West. Abductions, forced marriages, gang rapes, and even “honor killings” committed by Middle Eastern and South Asian immigrants to Western countries often go unpunished by government agencies.
    North American feminists dare not speak of abuse of women in the muslim world, from the koran and sharia law to daily family life, lest they be accused of islamophobia. Members of the National Women’s Studies Association recently voted to boycott Israel, but cannot bring themselves to comment on child marriages, forced marriages, female seclusion, honor killings, gang rapes of infidel women, or the enslavement and sale of females for sex slavery.

    Western opinion leaders have even advocated for islamic supremacists by forbidding criticism of islam . The Canadian Parliament recently condemned “islamophobia,” and a Parliamentary committee is now crafting measures to implement this motion. Christine Douglass-Williams was fired from the Canadian Race Relations Foundation board for criticizing political islam, showing that the government is willing to terminate appointed employees — even of so-called independent institutions — for alleged islamophobia. Just as in the Canadian “Human Rights” Commissions and Tribunals, truth is not allowed as a defense….
    I could go on....but I wont....
    We are being gagged by islamic leaders, and we dont to a thing about it....we just submit...
    We are told we cant criticise islam........
    BUT I will...until the day I die...........
     
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    Wow I knew you were a little off track, but having read a lot of your posts on other subjects I did give you points for being a reasonable and thinking person even if I didn't agree.

    This statement however is so off center I will be reassessing my view.

    The FGM thread was a good example and I thought your response was excellent .

    I don't have time to go into details so I will use a parable to explain my thoughts.

    Whether or not you are correct about Islam this story is relevant because fire ants do bite, all will if antagonised.

     
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    Are you suggesting we are NOT being silenced......
     
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    Your parable seems to be full of contradictions...I wont define them...probably a waste of time...
    You will notice, however, if you read the post again...I did not use the word muslims anywhere in the post...I said "islam"
     
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    Not like people make out.

    One guy here says if you know a Muslim living next door is abusing children you can't do anything about it. Bull, you report it to the police.

    Hello, police, yes I would like to report I have seen my next door neighbor molesting his daughter. Ok

    Hello, police, yes I would like to report my Muslim neighbor must be molesting his daughter. Not OK

    Some here have accused myself and others of being pedophiles or enabling it because we are against those sorts of stupid unsupported accusations.
     
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    And Muslim are only Muslims because they follow Islam.
    Pedantics
     
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    I cant be held responsible for his opinions...maybe he's still learning...gimme his phone number and Ill straighten him out....
     
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