Can abortion be compared with The Holocaust?

I believe that a powerful case can be presented that there are many similarities.

If the following visions given to a near death experiencer are true........ then this sets the stage for us to take seriously similar experiences where gifted people have heard the cry of the unborn before their lives are ended quite horribly.

Howard Storm:

Some gifted people report that the unborn........
experience great fear as the time for them to be aborted
draws closer and closer.

Could it be that the unborn do experience extreme fear and suffering
during their abortions? If so... then could we Canadians and Americans who
have been so silent about this issue be somewhat like the citizens of Germany who
should have known about the events of the Holocaust.... and frankly...
I believe that many of their children and grandchildren would tend to agree that they should have joined the Resistance in serious numbers.

I've been studying near death experience accounts and related phenomena since 1990 and I
personally am not laughing at this gifted person who claims to hear the cry of the unborn......
before their abortions. He had that experience beginning back in the 1970's:


The Cry of the Aborted Children

 

Fact #13: The 8 week+ unborn baby feels real physical pain during an abortion.

The Silent Scream (Full length)

 

Dennis, while I understand (somewhat) your NDE fixation and maybe even this Rabbi/Third Temple/Spiritual buffet you have bouncing around in you mind...considering the inability of even a born child to experience what you claim it is insane to believe something lacking an even minimally functional brain can do so.

 

Watch this video and then run that one by me again. This is all verifiable and well known to be accurate:

 

The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.

 

I have seen these and reviewed many others produced for the same purposes...none of them represent scientific understanding or accuracy. This type of propaganda is intended to do exactly what it has done in you and says far more about your initial mindset than anything involving science or biology...you have been duped young Padawan.

By the way, how does one scream in silence?

 

This is Dennis we are dealing with here, so think on if you would scold or hit your 6 month old for playing in it's poop.

 

I gave him a good scolding that he deserved for playing in poop.

 

Okay...I should have said 2 month old.

 

Foetus' learn to recognize the voices of their mother and father.......

They can also sense their emotions and the baby has far more of an idea
of what is about to happen in the final days of their lives than we tend to imagine.....

If you watch the video you will find out that women are being misled by proponents of abortion.....

 

It seems to me that a high percentage of women feel that they were not properly
warned about all aspects of the abortion and the longer term consequences and possible
complications...... such as depression.

Abortion Procedures
All abortion methods violate the most basic medical tenet: “Do No Harm.”

 

There is absolutely no possible way for you to know what you state as fact. You seem to take YouTube as verified reality and it quite simply isn't.

 

So you saw the footage of the twelve week old foetus as shown in the ultrasound .....
moving frantically to get away from the suction tube at the 15:36 mark in that video........
and yet you seriously think that a foetus experiences no trauma or pain or emotional pain during an abortion?

The silent scream is at the 16:52 mark in the video.... where the mouth of the foetus is open... and the actions of the foetus to escape the instruments of the abortionist are shown..... and the heart has speeded up to over two hundred beats per minute.... Whereas the heart was beating at 140 beats per minute before the abortion began.

 

I would suggest you research the details you mention but am well aware you will not. But if you did you would find out what is actually happening and how you have been emotionally manipulated with purposeful deception. Regardless you are far from alone in this and need not be ashamed as they did a good job editing and playing the heartstrings.

 

No, there are absolutely no similarities and trying to play the two complex issues off each other for socio-political reasons does a gross disservice to the significance of both. You should feel ashamed.

Given there is absolutely no reason to assume they are true, they’re irrelevant. If you need third hand reports of individual dreams to support your argument, maybe you should ask yourself how legitimate that argument might be.

Your actual poll question (entirely unrelated to your thread title of course, more than a little dishonest) is far too complex a question for such a simplistic list of options and I don’t believe you’ve any interest in actually discussing the facts anyway. I’m normally happy to ignore your usual disconnected ramblings but when you start trying to use them to influence real and important issues, I’m going to challenge you (however pointless that may be).

 

So you then must think that there is zero connection between Roe Vs Wade occurring in 1973 with
the colossal error made by Canada's Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau in 1974?

(I admit that there were other factors such as OPEC oil prices but......
the history of what Canada's Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau did in 1974 is
critical if we want to understand why the national debts of Canada and the USA have
spiralled out of control since the mid '70's).

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ashington-swamp-from-the-ottawa-swamp.551407/

Here are the statistics for deaths among African Americans since 1973:

 

I'm not trying to say that these things are facts.....
this is a discussion forum not a medical journal.....
I am expressing an opinion..... and it is my opinion that
Mr. Frank Wagner could have had some sort of valid spiritual experience
and could have heard a psychic cry from the unborn so that he would feel
great motivation to be a powerful leader in Canada's pro-life movement.


I also think that truly wise Democrats may see this as the perfect opportunity to
get something huge done for all three hundred and thirty million Americans but...... thinking outside the box is necessary.

Five hundred dollars per American per month financed in the same way as the President Lincoln Greenback monetary policy could theoretically lead to the paying off of the national debt of the USA in less than a decade....... because the national debt is a policy that was deliberately decided on by some very bright people who knew how to manipulate under-informed Canadians and Americans.

President Trump may wish to coopt some aspects of the Andrew Yang campaign?

 

A weak and cowardly attempt at distraction but I’m not playing that game. I challenged your attempt to use the Holocaust and an individual NDE claim to push your political opinions on abortion. If you’re not interested in addressing those points why did you start a thread with them in the first place?

 

Let's try again.... to see if you can perhaps make the connection?

Then we have arguably the most colossal error by a sitting Prime Minister of Canada in the past century........
which set the stage for the national debts of Canada and the USA to spiral out of control........
and you cannot suspect that maybe..... just maybe..... Canada's Canada's very intelligent Prime Minister might have
clued that his actions would quite likely lead to economic pressure being put on women to CHOOSE TO ABORT THEIR CHILDREN??????

Do you seriously think that the respondents to this poll were incorrect to agree with me that Elitism.... plays a significant role in Canadian and USA central banking policy that obviously could be so much better than it has been?


Does the Ottawa Swamp and the Washington Swamp have the common denominator of ELITISM?

1. 
   NO
   1 vote(s)
   16.7%
2. *
   YES
   5 vote(s)
   83.3%
3. 
   I am not sure but this is an intriguing theory that I may research further?????
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%

Change Your Vote


Have you never heard of the ideas of Robert Thomas Malthus?

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For the record.... I have admitted that Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau may perhaps have had good intentions behind his terrible decision in 1974... .he may have been attempting to save the environment...... from a booming Canadian economy?!

His actions slowed down the Canadian economy... .and set the stage for the slowing down of the USA economy as well..... which to at least some degree depressed the entire world economy in comparison to the levels of over consumption that we could well have attained if we had more optimistic central banking policies in effect in Canada and America since 1974?


Did P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau save the world environment?

For the record, at the time that I wrote this I was incorrect about this being caused by Canada taking our dollar fully off the gold standard. I found out since then that had actually been done in the 1930's.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.

Your complete and total lack of knowledge of what happened during the Holocaust to actual BORN people is astounding....or is it that that PARTICULAR group of people and THEIR suffering not that important you?

 

If I’d wanted to comment on that topic, I would have done so in the thread you created about it. You created this thread with two questions, one in the title and one in the poll. So I’ll ask again; If you’re not interested in discussing those questions, why did you post them?

 

OK... my answer to the poll above was "Yes."

Personally... I do believe that a powerful case can be presented from raw facts as well as from some research into parapsychology that the unborn do feel physical, emotional and psychological pain before and during an abortion.


Do the unborn feel emotional and / or physical pain during their abortion?

1. 
   No
   2 vote(s)
   66.7%
2. *
   Yes
   1 vote(s)
   33.3%
3. 
   I am not sure but I will research this further.
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%

Change Your Vote


If this is true..... and since the unborn are considered to be "people" by many of us......
and since Jews were also people..... and since both the unborn are dying in huge numbers.......

and since Jews died in huge numbers during the Holocaust then it seems valid to me that
the Abortion industry can be compared with the Death Camp industry of Nazi Germany.

Plus.... a third comparison could be made with both Jews as well as the unborn being shown to forgive their persecutors.........
and come to a place of emotional and spiritual peace after their souls move on into higher invisible dimensions of space and time.

From what I have read many Jews may choose to reincarnate as Germans simply to illustrate their total and complete forgiveness for those who persecuted them while they were here in four dimensional space time.

Near death experiencer shown no condemnation for women who choose....

For the record the word "forever" translated from Hebrew really means "until the end of condtions last" which to my thinking fits nicely with the idea of eventual Universal Salvation....... but of course I could perhaps be incorrect about this as well???

("Who goes to heaven" is a link to the original statement:

 

You don’t need to delve in to the mire of “parapsychology”, there will have been plenty of real scientific work done in the field of fetal development. Regardless, your question still doesn’t work with a yes/no answer because it depends on a whole range of factors such as the gestation period, status of the fetus and the method of abortion used. If you image abortion to be a singular thing, your research on the topic should be focused at a much, much more basic level.

I note you’re still avoiding addressing your attempt to equate the Holocaust with abortion. Can I take it that you are legitimately embarrassed by it?

 

The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!


How asinine and illogical to conclude that the number of deaths show a similarity between the Holocaust and abortion …..




To compare Pro-Choicers, who want rights for EVERYONE to Nazis is just disgusting and dishonest...

 

This may come as a shock to you FoxHastings but some people have a somewhat different world view than
you and your friends and colleagues have!

Another aspect of the whole formula is your dogmatism on this topic actually significantly increases the power of the fathers and / or the family of the father of the unborn to put pressure on women into choosing to have an abortion....... .even a third trimester abortion.

I disagree vehemently with Richard Dawkins Ph. D. on his rather dogmatic Atheistic position that
seems to me to cause leaders in government, business and education to place relatively low value on
human life and on the land that is capable of sustaining the lives of children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.


www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

A theory to pay off that national debt of the USA could set in motion a series of events that could lay the foundation for saving a billion or more lives in the time line that is ahead of us?

Could a real estate boom plus better Fed policy pay off USA national debt?

Many American Women Have Felt Pressured into Abortions, Study Finds

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