Can abortion be compared with The Holocaust?

NONE of that BS has anything to do with the post of mine you quoted:


FoxHastings said: ↑
The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!


How asinine and illogical to conclude that the number of deaths show a similarity between the Holocaust and abortion …..




To compare Pro-Choicers, who want rights for EVERYONE to Nazis is just disgusting and dishonest...



BTW, why TF did you "like" this post??? Seems quite irrational if you don't agree with the FACTS contained in it.

 

My point is that both you as well as myself are allowed to look at this topic from very different angles which ultimately does answer your question.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
NONE of that BS has anything to do with the post of mine you quoted:


FoxHastings said: ↑
The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!


How asinine and illogical to conclude that the number of deaths show a similarity between the Holocaust and abortion …..




To compare Pro-Choicers, who want rights for EVERYONE to Nazis is just disgusting and dishonest...



BTW, why TF did you "like" this post??? Seems quite irrational if you don't agree with the FACTS contained in it.

Except your "angle" is wrong, anti-Semitic, uses Godwin's law to erroneously paint those who SUPPORT rights as Nazis, and has no basis in logic.


It ignores the FACT that taking away women's right to their own bodies as Anti-Choicers want to do is in line with Nazism...

 

Actually......... to the degree that I personally should have perhaps been much more like
Mr. Frank Brown than I have been........
I am to some degree pleading guilty to being like a metaphorical collaborator......
with a Holocaust by definition that has been going on all around me during my sixty years.

I am not attempting to say that I am totally free of guilt in all this.......

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
NONE of that BS has anything to do with the post of mine you quoted:


FoxHastings said: ↑
The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!


How asinine and illogical to conclude that the number of deaths show a similarity between the Holocaust and abortion …..




To compare Pro-Choicers, who want rights for EVERYONE to Nazis is just disgusting and dishonest...



BTW, why TF did you "like" this post??? Seems quite irrational if you don't agree with the FACTS contained in it.








Except your "angle" is wrong, anti-Semitic, uses Godwin's law to erroneously paint those who SUPPORT rights as Nazis, and has no basis in logic.


It ignores the FACT that taking away women's right to their own bodies as Anti-Choicers want to do is in line with Nazism...

When are you going to cut the fairytaleBS and admit every word of the post of mine you keep quoting is CORRECT in every way ????


WHY is it so hard for you to face?????

 

If.... the quotations from former Skeptic Howard Storm from the opening post are essentially true.......
then it is my belief that if the Jewish victims of the Holocaust who are now in higher invisible dimensions of space and time
were consulted...... they would NOT attempt to minimize the other Holocausts on the Blacks of the era of Slavery.......
or of the First Nations peoples of North and South America from 1500 to 1900.......
or of the unborn victims of ABORTION!

https://www.near-death.com/religion/judaism/beverly-brodsky.html

 

""""" they would NOT attempt to minimize the other Holocausts on the Blacks of the era of Slavery...…."""""


YOU have NO idea what they would think or say...YOU have NO way of knowing....you marginalize them by putting YOUR words in THEIR mouths..


AND
you still have not refuted or even addressed one word of my post.:FoxHastings said: ↑
NONE of that BS has anything to do with the post of mine you quoted:


FoxHastings said: ↑
The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!


How asinine and illogical to conclude that the number of deaths show a similarity between the Holocaust and abortion …..




To compare Pro-Choicers, who want rights for EVERYONE to Nazis is just disgusting and dishonest...



BTW, why TF did you "like" this post??? Seems quite irrational if you don't agree with the FACTS contained in it.








Except your "angle" is wrong, anti-Semitic, uses Godwin's law to erroneously paint those who SUPPORT rights as Nazis, and has no basis in logic.


It ignores the FACT that taking away women's right to their own bodies as Anti-Choicers want to do is in line with Nazism...






When are you going to cut the fairytaleBS and admit every word of the post of mine you keep quoting is CORRECT in every way ????


WHY is it so hard for you to face?????

 

No......
I've been studying near death experience accounts since 1990 so if these turn out to be genuine
spiritual experiences........ interactions with quite real invisible dimensions of space - time then..........I do have more of an idea of
what Jewish victims of the Holocaust ..... who made it into "paradise / heaven" might perhaps think
if they were consulted regarding the other holocausts of history...... and of our present era... .than people
who have not studied this phenomena with an open mind?

I believe that Jewish victims of the Holocaust would forgive those who murdered them.....
for similar reasons to why the aborted children of near death experiencer Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera
were so happy to meet with her..... in spite of the fact that she had been unable to protect them from
her physicians and other influential people in her life who pressured her into having more than one abortion.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
""""" they would NOT attempt to minimize the other Holocausts on the Blacks of the era of Slavery...…."""""


YOU have NO idea what they would think or say...YOU have NO way of knowing....you marginalize them by putting YOUR words in THEIR mouths..


AND
you still have not refuted or even addressed one word of my post.:FoxHastings said: ↑
NONE of that BS has anything to do with the post of mine you quoted:


FoxHastings said: ↑
The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!


How asinine and illogical to conclude that the number of deaths show a similarity between the Holocaust and abortion …..




To compare Pro-Choicers, who want rights for EVERYONE to Nazis is just disgusting and dishonest...



BTW, why TF did you "like" this post??? Seems quite irrational if you don't agree with the FACTS contained in it.








Except your "angle" is wrong, anti-Semitic, uses Godwin's law to erroneously paint those who SUPPORT rights as Nazis, and has no basis in logic.


It ignores the FACT that taking away women's right to their own bodies as Anti-Choicers want to do is in line with Nazism...






When are you going to cut the fairytaleBS and admit every word of the post of mine you keep quoting is CORRECT in every way ????


WHY is it so hard for you to face?????

I bolded in blue the KEY word above


YOU have NO idea what they would think or say...YOU have NO way of knowing....you marginalize them by putting YOUR words in THEIR mouths..


AND
you still have not refuted or even addressed one word of my post.



AND things like ""I believe that Jewish victims of the Holocaust would forgive those who murdered them.....""

have NOTHING to do with the topic being discussed....just more squirming away from addressing the POINTS in my post...

 

Isn't that one of the purposes for public discussion forums?

To make a somewhat educated guess at what may be implied or meant by articles, books or the comments of others on various topics?

 

Yes, it is absolutely comparable to the Holocaust, and slavery too for that matter. In all cases a class of humans were deemed less than human, and therefore expendable, all for the greater good of course.

 

A fetus' learns to recognize its mother's voice because it resonates thru the amniotic sac. They don't recognize their father's voice or anyone else's for that matter.

Your comparison between abortion and the holocaust is a challenge that even Stretch Armstrong couldn't accomplish.

 

The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!


When ARE Anti-Choicers going to retire their tired and untrue bumper sticker slogans and actually THINK things through!!!!!!

 

What are you talking about? Unborn children can feel pain at 8 weeks, they suffer terribly, in ultrasounds you can see them squirming to avoid the murder instruments. You couldn't do that do a dog.

I'm not minimizing it, you need to stop minimizing the agony unborn children go through.

Bunk, it isn't the woman's body, often having a different gender and blood type.

Thinking is exactly why I'm pro-life. That movement is never going away, it is stronger now than when the ridiculous Roe v. Wade decision was invented. All human life is valuable, even fetus FoxHastings.

 

BULL, that's been disproven so many times.....those are reflex actions that any cell reacts to, NOT due to pain.

AND WHERE do you find someone torturing fetuses throughout their lives?? NO where.

Yes, by comparing the quick painless death of a fetus to the horror, continued torture, agony and life long effects of the Holocaust victims it IS minimizing what those BORN people went through.

If it isn't the woman's body then she has all the more right to have it taken out!!!! NO one is obligated to use their body to sustain the life of another.

AND if it isn't HER body then WHOSE IS IT? YOURS? THE Government's??

If it's yours or the government's then YOU and the government should grow it and support it from conception to cradle to grave...


No, it is HER body that Anti-Choicers wish to interfere with...




The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

All human life is valuable except women's ( and brown children kept in cages and children on Welfare, and children who need health insurance and children killed in war, etc, etc, etc)....according to Anti-Choicers

 

They are when they've already chosen to bear life. Choice comes before conception.

It is her body, but the unborn child isn't part of her body. The Constitution says nobody may be deprived of life without due process.

We disagree.

Already debunked above.

Actually, over half the victims of abortion are women due to sex selection.

LOL, so lawbreakers get a pass depending on their skin color? FYI, I'm half Puerto Rican.

We separate children from their parents regularly who are US citizens for all kinds of reasons.

Too incoherent to respond to.

 

Where is the law that says 'choice comes before conception? That is only your opinion that most people ignore.

And it doesn't address the fact:If it isn't the woman's body then she has all the more right to have it taken out!!!! NO one is obligated to use their body to sustain the life of another.

.


All the more reason she should be able to have it taken out !!!

But it IS part of her body, attached and using her body to develop.

The Constitution does not say fetuses are people with rights.

But I am correct: it is HER body that Anti-Choicers wish to interfere with...

NO, you never debunked :The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

Strawman.

You think 2 and 3 year olds are lawbreakers!!! And should be punished with torture and deprivation?

THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY POINT !!!

So it's OK to put children in cages and not allow them necessities like toothpaste and showers??!!!

THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT AGAIN!!!!

NO, ""and children on Welfare, and children who need health insurance and children killed in war, etc, etc, etc)....according to Anti-Choicers""

is not incoherent , it IS proof that Anti-Choicers do not care about "precious life" once it's BORN.




by comparing the quick painless death of a fetus to the horror, continued torture, agony and life long effects of the Holocaust victims it IS minimizing what those BORN people went through.

 

Thank you immensely for your profoundly encouraging posts on this topic Paul7!

I found this article by Mr. Frank Wagner quite moving when I read it a month or so ago.

The Cry of the Aborted Children

 

The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!

 

Do you know more about abortion than Dr. Bernard Nathanson?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!

Do you know anything about the Holocaust?


SHOW ME where fetuses are tortured. SHOW me how a fetus suffered what Jews suffered.... YOU CANNOT.

 

You asked: https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/the-scientific-evidence-that-babies-feel-pain-as-they-are-aborted

The average murdered unborn baby probably feels much more pain than a holocaust victim who was gassed or shot.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!











Do you know anything about the Holocaust? WHY DIDN'T YOU ANSWER THAT???


SHOW ME where fetuses are tortured. SHOW me how a fetus suffered what Jews suffered.... YOU CANNOT.

"lifesitenews!!! HILARIOUS...it's an oft debunked ANTI-WOMEN'S RIGHT SITE...aptly called LIEsitenews….



...and OBVIOUSLY you don't know much about the Holocaust or you wouldn't think being gassed or shot were the only things that happened to Jews.....OR DON'T YOU CARE????

 

So why don't you tell me which facts presented in Lifesitenews is wrong, if you can? I don't expect the corrupt MSM to tell the truth on this subject. 'Yes I know about the holocaust, I was a history minor in college.

To minimize what the unborn go through while being murdered is what's sickening.

BTW, big fonts and colors don't make up for weak arguments. Abortion is truly the sacrament of the left, and is part of the liberal culture of death.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!

Do you know anything about the Holocaust? WHY DIDN'T YOU ANSWER THAT???


SHOW ME where fetuses are tortured. SHOW me how a fetus suffered what Jews suffered.... YOU CANNOT.




"lifesitenews!!! HILARIOUS...it's an oft debunked ANTI-WOMEN'S RIGHT SITE...aptly called LIEsitenews….



...and OBVIOUSLY you don't know much about the Holocaust or you wouldn't think being gassed or shot were the only things that happened to Jews.....OR DON'T YOU CARE????

I don't have to. First I didn't make your asinine claim YOU did... and second I KNOW LIEsitenews is an ANTI-ABORTION site....

Then why TF not use science ??!!!! BECAUSE IT WILL NOT TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

Obviously VERY minor if you think the Jews died quickly with no torture or suffering...suffering that lasted a life time for those who survived.

It isn't minimized and YOU HAVE NEVER SHOWN THAT FETUSES SUFFER TORTURE BEFORE DEATH.

They are not intended to.....they are intended to draw attention to baseless allegations and hideous comparisons of those who think fetuses suffer what Jews did ….

They are used to draw attention to :

The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


To minimize what the Jews and others went through by comparing it to abortion is sickening.


The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

THAT is the SIMILARITY!!!!

Emotional horsepuckey based on nothing...