Can Anyone Defend The Portland Extremists?

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  1. Just A Man

    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    Go ahead liberals and democrats, explain why you are with these extremists.
    --In Portland, violent extremists have attacked a federal courthouse for weeks, which Barr described as “an assault on the Government of the United States.”
     
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    No - won't defend the violence.

    Barr did screw up by sending in Secret Police Squads, which just gave the more extreme protesters more publicity and
    more of reason to be there. As my Niece, who lives in downtown Portland told me - the riots had just about died off
    until Trump decided to make it a political centerpiece of his reelection campaign and suddenly it was back in the limelight -
    which is precisely what the more violent protesters were hoping for.

    Once again, Trump's ego was used for other people's ambitions. Everyone knows how to play this guy to get what they want.
     
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    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    Anyone who thinks letting the Portland extremists alone to do what they want will result in the rioting, looting, and burning just dying off is engaging in wishful thinking. Even fifth graders understand that. At some point a powerful force is needed to restore law and order. Law and order is important.
     
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    Whats up with you and this whole "secret police" brand today? I think it's actually funny. And your attempt to create a false narrative here seems gratuitous. Your attempt to create an anecdote seems convenient at best.
     
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    I won't defend the violence on the left of right

    but I will defend the peaceful protestors right to protest on both the left and right, even if I disagree with them

    now, can the right defend the abuse by cops on peaceful protestors?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if Trump had taken police abuse seriously back when black players were simply taking a knee, vs calling them SOB's, he could have prevented all this civil unrest imo
     
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    Nonsense how many more times does this bullshit leftist talking point have to be refuted? The only thing that's changed is the removal of their ID and the reason for that was to prevent them being doxed and their families threatened by the allies of the Portland mob.

    There was no other logical choice than to send in the US Marshal's had they not done so the courthouse would long ago been reduced to a burned out ruin.
     
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    The difference is in the definition of peaceful protesters. I don't see cops messing with peaceful people at all - only with what I define as violent rioters. Your premise and mine are 180 degrees apart.
     
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    Once any violence starts and any "peaceful" protester stays in the group they are as guilty as the others.

    It's Trump's fault. For 8 years of the Obama administration all bad things were Bush's fault. I bet Bush is glad he's now off the hook -- LOL
     
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    They aren't secret police.

    As I have explained elsewhere. You can't just decide that the law enforcement should be there and then they are there immediately. It takes time to select and get them there un less is it some kind of "ready force".. Usually by a week or more. At the time they decided to send them, the riots were going on.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    Fake news
     
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    I don't care if they are the KGB -- if they are protecting a USA federal courthouse from being firebombed I support them.
     
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    Are we talking about the violent protesters or the violent troopers?
     
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    Of course if a person is violent against society the troopers will have to get violent to arrest them. That's fine with me.
     
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    I would hope that the troopers would be violent when facing violent protestors. I would be pissed if they did not act with violence. Why do you oppose shutting down violent protests?
     
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    The federal government must stand up to the bully extremists who are maiming and blinding federal DHS agents and destroying federal real property because the local police have been placed in handcuffs by the mayor's office.

    You must hurt a bully to get him to stop.

    By law it is the DHS agents' sworn duty to be there and protect federal real property under the federal criminal statutes. The law is on their side:

    "Title 9 - Criminal
    9-66.000 - PROTECTION OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY


    9-66.100 - Protection of Government Property—Real Property

    The Administrator of the General Services Administration is responsible for the maintenance and operation of federal offices and buildings throughout the United States. See 40 U.S.C. § 301 et seq. However, the duty to protect federal property now resides with the Secretary of Homeland Security. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315. In order to fulfill this responsibility, the Secretary is authorized to enforce the Rules and Regulations Governing conduct on Federal Property. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315. Violations of these regulations are criminal offenses, punishable by thirty days imprisonment, a $5,000.00 fine, or both. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315(c)(2). The Rules and Regulations Governing Conduct on Federal Property can be found in Title 41 of the Code of Federal Regulations."

    If the rioters don't want to be the object of the DHS's sworn duty they must stay clear of federal real property and cease doing damage to it.
     
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    So.........you don't want to talk about troopers using unnecessary, excessive, unprovoked force in some instances? Got it.
     
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    Did you not read what Just a Man said?
     
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    Cops arresting a violent person and using violence may be excessive in your opinion but not in my opinion. If you personally were ever charged with enforcing the law against a violent person you would understand.
     
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    the police abuse of innocent protestors
     
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    So the solution is to allow violent tantrums and destruction to continue until they tire themselves out, and take a week off for some R&R?
    Hope they won't come back and start over?

    There are other solutions that work- but they hurt- a lot.
    God forbid we hurt anyone trying to burn down the city because they are in a snit and having such fun at it.

    See, I'm just mean. I say if you act like a rabid dog, you ARE a rabid dog, and should be TREATED like a rabid dog.
    No confusion to the rule, no discrimination, no racial dividing lines- and no slack. The people identify themselves by their behavior and get treated accordingly.
    Nothing could be more fair.

    Has nothing to do with Trump- and you damn well know it.
     
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    There are no secret police. They are the same branches of the federal government and same people they were when Obama was President and I bet you didn’t call them that then.
     
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    So far it seems no one sides with the violent citizen extremists in Portland
     
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    Good observation. So everyone needs to chill and let LEO do their jobs. Stop name calling and bearing false witness against the LEO.
     

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