Can anyone here claim Russian hacking influenced their vote

After several other attempts to explain why Hillary lost, now democrats claim that Russian hacking caused Hillary to lose.

So------------------the question is, can anyone on this forum claim that any kind of Russian hacking or influence caused them not to vote or Hillary, or change their vote to Trump.

 

You have a total wrong starting point taken...

Of course knows anyone for whom they voted and that Russian BS Propaganda has much if any influence on US people is ... well ... unlikely!

The hacker issue is something else, because digital world is also in any election process included and here everything what is part of digital world is threaten to be hacked and manipulated!
In clear words: You have voted for Hillary or Donald, no matter for whom ... these hackers are able to change this later to the reverse that you have voted for the other one!

For many this is unlikely, but at least it is unfortunately only a matter of specialists and recourses to have and invest for doing such things... in combination of same things to prevent them = a constant war of both sides day for day in all things of life!

I will not say and claim that Russian secret service did so in US election as others do, it could be or not, no idea! But all US people who become upset about the possibility should please wake up that your CIA and NSA did such things throughout the world often too. So sometimes the old saying of "those who cause bad things at others, will harvest the same back..."

 

Not me, I was never going to vote for Hillary. She always rubbed me the wrong way as an aloof snob, elitist who knows what is best for everyone else than they, the people know for themselves. Then she puts thousands of classified national security information at risk, no way. I made up my mind not to vote for Trump when he trashed our POW's that were held in Hanoi. I had hoped someone other than Trump would win the GOP nomination, but when that didn't happen I decided on Johnson as a vote against both Trump and Hillary.

 

The NYT did not influence my vote with their endorsement but that does not prove that the NYT didn't try to influence the election with their endorsement.

So your challenge does not mean anything.

 

The bipartisan congressional investigation into the CIA intelligence should help answer how Americans were manipulated.

The extent to which Putin's and Comey's intervening in the election perverted it needs to be known. Had it not been for their involvement, her 2.4 million vote margin might have been much higher.

In any event, one candidate repeated called the election "rigged!", the electoral college system "a disaster!!", and claimed that there were "millions!" of illegal votes, so it would be a gross abandonment of responsibility for Congress not to seek the truth.

Let's advocate for knowledge in preference to ignorance, however blissful some might find it..

 

Since we're seeing the far right wingers here on this forum all try and dance around the fact that Russian hacking influence the election, then, I suspect the answer is no.

Not because the Russians influenced their vote. But because they won't admit it. Even the ones here who cite RT as a news source (documenting their role as useful idiots). Just as racists always deny their racism and try and invent excuses, weak arguments, and deflections.

We see the same pattern of denial, deflection and weak argument with the Russian intelligence story.

 

I thing even John Bolton { former short tenure Secretary-of-State } is
coming along to my way of thinking.That this a version of a False Flag
being used by Democrats because they are virtually desperate.
A False Flag meaning a covert operation to confuse or camouflage a
real agenda as in gaining some advantage.Like in Battle flying a false
flag in order to complicate the true enemies whereabouts.
The Democrats are in desperate need to paint their foe { The GOP }
as being in cahoots with those like Russia or are favorable in some sense
towards Russia.It's no diferent than how the Dimocrats use certain Republicans
and turn them into Boogeyman.Like Dick Cheney.
Thereby making virtually every act by Dick Cheney some sort of hell on earth.
This Russian hacking fiasco is an attempt to besmirch the character of Trump.
Since Trump had made somewhat concilatory comments about Putin.
That he could work with him.So the Democrats have to create a version of
Trump as " Boogeyman ". That Trump doesn't feel the need for an PDB
{ Presidential Daily Briefing }. Actually that is what we learned about Obama.That
unlike his predecessor { President Bush } who never sloughed off any PDB,
Obama routinely did.Choosing instead to skip the PDB and just read the Report.
So this is being used to turn the Electorate against Trump as someone who
doesn't trust our CIA but may trust the Russkies more.
Typical Dimocrat pap.

 

Actually, it is you that have the wrong starting point. The Obama Administration is not looking into the voting machines being hacked by the Russians. They are looking into the hacking of email accounts at the DNC, and publicly exposing their dirty laundry in public. This was done by Wikileaks who have no ties to Russia.

As a matter of fact, a large number of those voting machines were manufactured by a company with strong ties to George Soro's. If anyone was going to hack those emails, it would be Soro's. Who, by the way, was a Clinton backer.

The only claim of the hacking of a voting machine occurred in Georgia, but that was tracked to a Homeland Security computer

 

Its funny, we always hear about how money in politics has influenced the elections. We heard this all the time for why the GOP gets elected. We heard this of why the Koch brothers were so "dangerous" to the political process. Yet, for the past 3 POTUS cycles, the DEMS have set the records on political spending with Obama twice and now HRC. Now you guys are claiming its "fake news" sites and Russian hackers, but ignoring the facts that HRC received a (*)(*)(*)(*) ton on money from foreign entities in the middle east. And not only that, you guys are completely ignoring the fact that Russian hackers got to HRC ILLEGAL unsecured email server that she wasn't supposed to have, she knew it, and knew what she wasn't supposed to send classified info to it, but did anyways. Now that's Trumps fault that the Russians were able to take advantage of HRCs illegal activity? The left cant break any laws, even the ones they create.

 

If there was Russian hacking all they did was expose Hillary and DNC corruption. I'm OK with that.

 

The CIA reports intelligence that Russian hacking might well have manipulated an American presidential election that one candidate has claimed was "rigged!", our electoral college system a "disaster!", and that "millions!" of illegal votes were cast and, rather than seeking the truth, they'd rather contrive feeble digressions to avoid it.

 

There also could be a case to be made.That the dems were hedging their
bets in the case Hillary lost.That is why the Lefty and the Liberal Moderator
{ Anderson Cooper } specifically asked Donald Trump if he would concede the Election
if he lost.That could have been a bellwether meme to be used later.It was
ALL the buzz for about a week.What Trump said in that debate about if he'll
concede.This Russian Hacking bidness has turned into a meme.
That just like Trump had difficulty just admitting he'd Concede the Election
to Hillary if he lost ... That he also is having a problem Admitting that Russia
tried to Influence our Election.
The thingy is ... Dimocrats and the Left and the MSM don't need facts.
Just the meme. Like ... BlackLivesMatter. or - Hands up ... Don't shoot -.
This Russian hacking bidness may just be a meme,to be used at all costs
to Frame Trump and diminish his popularity.

 

John Bolton was never Secretary of State.

He was UN Ambassador on a recess appointment from Bush. During his tenure, he flailed away at North Korea, which snubbed him, and he managed to make enemies of virtually everyone in the UN itself, including much of his own staff.

He has no basis for making the claim he made. He's just trying to get attention. He made it up.

Your imagined narrative falls apart instantly, which is typical.

 

All of your claims are false.

It has been acknowledged for some time that the Russians were the primary source for much of what Wikileaks posted. That has been the consensus of cyber security experts around the world for a long time. This didn't just come up recently, as many right wingers here falsely try and claim.

Wikileaks was clearly being used to launch political attacks. They used information only from one party and one campaign. They deployed this information strategically in order to attack the Clinton campaign. There was nothing random or spontaneous about it.

Wikileaks claims drove the narrative on Fox and in the right wing blogosphere for months, so claiming that the Russians didn't influence the US election is transparantly false.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/world/europe/wikileaks-julian-assange-russia.html?_r=0

George Soros has no ties with any company in the voting machine business. The CEO of the company Smartmatic Chairman Lord Mark Malloch-Brown, sits on the board of the Open Society Foundation, which is not evidence of any business association.

This story got flogged in the right wing blogs, and was recycled twice by the disreputable trash blog, Daily Caller.

One of the claims is that Soros controlled voting machines were used in 16 states. In fact, not one of the states Daily Baller named, uses Smatmatic voting machines.

Both of your claims are lies.

I should also note that as the election drew closer, Trumpsters on the very forum were flogging fake news stories claiming that Democrats were stuffing ballot boxes. These came with pictures. It didn't take long for people to identify the very pictures accompanying these false claims as having been taken in Russia, and linking the fake news sites to Russia.

No wonder the Russians are laughing!

 

Absolutely.No question about it.If Russia Hacked the RNC the Dems would be
throwing celebration parties.
Plus Reince Priebus definiately said on - Meet the Press - that the RNC was
not hacked by the Russians.The New York Times wrote an OpEd article stating that
the RNC was also hacked.Preibus told F.Chuck Todd he could be used a
source to verify { as recently as a few days ago by the F.B.I. } that his RNC
was NOT Hacked by Russia or anyone.

 

Making enemies in the UN is a plus in my book

 

There was NOT 17 Agencies involved in investigating
the possibility of Russian hacking.There were TWO { The CIA and NSA }
The CIA under John Brennan is being used to Politicize this new meme
and virtually peddle it.The NSA is remaining silent.
Obama is using Brennan and the CIA to Peddle this Insane nonsense
as if a meme.

 

Being parochial and deliberately ignorant of the world around you doesn't make you look smart.

 

Establishment drones will say/do anything they think will benefit the establishment. They are more mad at WIKI for exposing corruption, then they are at the Dems for being corrupt. Right/wrong doesn't factor with these people because the average drone is just as deceitful and corrupt in their daily lives as the establishment politicians they worship. If they were working at the DNC, they would be doing the same or worse. Be wary of people who can so easily turn a blind eye to corruption and make excuses for it.

The Russian thing is a "fake news" story by the same people who brought you "airline seat armrest gate". It's made to keep the drones energy high, and to give them something to parrot.

 

No, there was no way I was going to vote for Hillary long before any of the Wikileaks emails came out. In my private life, I don't know of anyone who changed their vote because of the hacked emails.

Those rust belt voters who voted for Trump (and determined the election) didn't care about any of that. They have been watching their jobs disappear over the past two decades, and Trump told them he wants to really do something about that. That's why Trump won those states, not the emails, and not anything Comey did either.

 

The FBI said there was no connection between Trump and Russia. But hey, glad you are trusting the government now that it suits your views.

 

Posting in red does not improve your argument.

Reports of Russian attempts to influence American public opinion date back to the end of last year.

That's when reports began to surface that Russian intelligence was employing people to troll Facebook, and forums like this one.

It worked. As early as two years ago, it was obvious that Russian propoganda was a source for right wingers here on this forum. RT started getting cited by right wingers as a news source, even though it is a propoganda operation directly operated by the Russian government.

The same people who bought the Russian line then, are now busy trying to pretend that the Russians didn't do what most cyber security experts acknowledge taht they did do, which was drive the right wing narrative in this last election.

Type in red all day long. Useful idiots come in a rainbow of colors.

 

Sure ... who knows! But In German news came today for example that there is a warning too that our coming election next year can be hacked too due to security leaks and maybe "attacking Russian Services". Could be or not be ... but in matter of Hillary's emails only Julian Assange knows his source. Could be an insider from Clintons team, could be a normal hacker, could be Edward Snowden or could be a foreign agency like Russian FSB... who know? Cyber War is reality and a wide battlefield of its own.

The NSA did and does against half globe including own US population and allies as for example wiretapping C-Phone of Merkel for example. The won secrets are for sure used somehow for US interests ... But:
Anyone thinking only the NSA is able to do such things and the US are safe for such things done by others against them is living in a fairy tale world.

 

Funny, if not for HRC having an unsecured email server, the Russians couldn't have hacked it.

 

Being oblivious to the corruption and implosion of the UN doesn't make you look smart.The oil-for-food scandal was an international embarrassment—but it’s just one example in an organization rife with corruption.