Can people really be non-binary?

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Can people really be non-binary?

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Donor

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    All humans have one gender, so say some of you. There are only two choices, so say some of you.

    Male, female. In binary, there are two choices. There's no "abnormality" option. So, do you agree that gender is non binary, or do you want to answer my question?

    I'm trying to see if you understand the concept that binary is a true/false. Is a hermaphrodite an it? That would make "it" the third gender.

    Help me understand your thinking, here.
     
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    Can people really be non-binary?
    In spite of all the illusory re-enforcement for binary immersion ("up" and "down" and "right" and "left", etc.), a liberated mind can transcend. Buddha represents such a one. What Jesus teaches is actually a unity, a oneness. We are at one before our appearance in this world and at one afterward.
     
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    Read my first few responses in this thread (post #258, for instance). I have already addressed your question within that post (and others).

    The "unclearness of sex" of the hermaphrodite is irrelevant with regard to the definition of male and female, and is irrelevant to the fact that male and female are the only two sexes that exist. -- Any answer to your hermaphrodite question is irrelevant to the aforementioned truths, as the existence of the "abnormal" (per circumstance) does not alter in any way/shape/form what is considered to be "normal", per definition.
     
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    She is choosing to hyper-focus on this particular irrelevancy in order to distract away from the undeniable (via reason) biological truth that there are only two "genders" (sexes). I've now directly addressed her question with her for my absolute final time. Any further repetition of the same question will just be met with a simple 'RQAA' each and every time it gets asked.

    The hermaphrodite issue is the ultimate example in which the particular sex of the person is not absolutely straight forward at birth (as it typically is) due to genetic abnormality, which is why Curious Always wishes to hyper-focus on it.

    According to Curious Always, this very rare example of "unclearness" is somehow supposed to cast doubt on the other overwhelming majority of cases in which the sex of the person is perfectly clear. She wishes for the existence of "abnormal" to change what "normal" is. That is logically fallacious, as "normal" remains "normal" regardless.

    Of course she did, because you never said that. That false claim, and her hyper-focus on hermaphrodites, is all she has, and both are wild attempts to distract, deflect, dodge, or otherwise divert away from the biological truth that there are only two sexes (male and female), and thus there is no such thing as "gender non-binary").
     
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    You seem unclear as to what anybody is actually saying.

    "Gender" (sex) is binary. Male and Female.

    The existence of "abnormalities" in this "code" can be thought of as "copying errors" or "errors in the code". The circumstantial existence of errors in the code does not suddenly remove the existence of the code itself.

    The binary nature of sex (male & female) still exists even if that binary nature sometimes experiences "copying errors" that result in abnormalities. --- Under "normal" circumstances, sex is perfectly binary.

    There is no "third gender". A hermaphrodite is simply an "error in the code", as described above. It is an exception to the general rule. It is a deviation from what is normal. -- A deviation from the normal does not change what the normal is...

    I've explained it for you countless times now.

    Your issue is that you wish to appeal to 'abnormal' in order to change what 'normal' is... IOW, you wish to falsely equate 'abnormal' with 'normal'..
     
  6. Curious Always

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    Thank you for admitting there exists a third possibility, which is the exact definition of non binary.

    Again, binary is a true/false statement. There is no "abnormality" option in binary. It's yes/no, true/false, 1/0.

    This is the part you don't seem to grasp.

    Yes, it's an abnormality. We completely agree. But, yet, here we are with one example of non binary. If you can't provide one of two binary options, you are, by definition, admitting there's a non binary option.
     
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    Sex is binary (male & female). The existence of "code errors" does not negate the existence of the code. All "normal" instances of reproduction (w/ no 'code errors') are strictly binary, as sex is binary. You cannot redefine 'abnormalities' into 'normalities'. I explained this all in another response to you.
     
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    People who call themselves "non-binary" are very rarely hermaphrodites - if ever.

    In my experience it is a new fashion for over-woke and conceited idiots, who want to be something special.
    Has nothing to do with chromosomes or sexuality - but much with this totally idiotic, but very fashionable "gender studies " thing.
    And those fashionable "non-binary" persons look down on the "normal" persons who are so old-fashioned as to think in "binary" terms.
     
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    Well said! :applause:
     
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    there's nothing to study and there are no experts. Non-binary is claptrap, hokem, gobbledygook, meaningless nonsense.

    It would be like me identifying as a leprechaun or a pixie.
    it's insulting to people who actually are hermaphrodite to compare them to people who want to identify as leprechauns.
    The myth of the female brain structure has been debunked.

    https://mymodernmet.com/male-and-female-brains-neurosexism/

    So you aren't looking at the science you're cherry-picking what you like. That's what everyone does who appeals to science there are only appealing to the studies they agree with and completely ignoring the ones that they don't.
     
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    Well there are genetic abnormalities that create intersex people this is extraordinarily rare.

    And there are mostly white girls and women who want to have a minority status so they make up something like non-binary or alosexual or all this other gobbledygook that means nothing to say that they're A persecuted under class.

    And I agree they are persecuted in the same way leprechauns are.

    Non-binary is nothing but a fashion statement and once it's not cool anymore nobody will be doing it. So it's not a phenomenon of biology it's a phenomenon of sociology.
     
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    Please explain why there is no abnormality option. Do you think hermaphrodites are perfectly normal, and are just part of the wide variation of "gender sense" that human beings have?
     
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    when I was in school in the 90s we called those tomboys if they were girls girls were always allowed a lot more leeway in that sort of thing.

    There was a word for boys sometimes it was Sissy other times it was a word that rhyme with maggot.
    that would be cool if it was just a fashion. You know you do you if you. It's when your fashion did man's me participate in it. If I have to use special pronouns or walk on eggshells around you because you're trying to hijack the transgender identity without committing that's when it's a bridge too far.
    Are you at this way and it makes things a lot simpler. The idea that gender and sex are two different things that aren't related is an ideology one that I don't agree with.
     
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    this idea that gender is separate from sex and you can identify with whatever gender you make up is something I reject completely.

    So it's more accurate to say I don't believe in gender at all as far as it's been described.
    there are abnormalities but gender doesn't exist. That's just how we interpret sex
    hermaphrodites exist within the binary sexes. They are just a blend of the two they are not a third completely new one.
    The concept of sex doesn't change because there is anomalies.
     
  15. Curious Always

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    I see you have no intention of learning the meaning of binary.
    An ABNORMALITY exists, and I said so. That abnormality makes it option 3. There is never, ever an abnormality in a binary system. I’m not sure what it’s so complicated.
     
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    A human has 10 toes. That’s the only option right?
    Whoops. I have a cousin who was born with 8 toes. It’s an abnormality. Not all humans have 10 toes.
     
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    I think you are starting to lose it.

    Humans have ten toes. If you get one chopped off, you are still human, but you have damage. If you are born without ten toes, it's a deformity. But it doesn't mean that there is no real human number of toes; there is, a healthy human has ten toes. Unless you are arguing that humans can have as many toes as they feel they have inside.
     
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    Carry on. Your mind is perfectly glued shut. No new knowledge or advances in medicine allowed.

    I’ve no wish to debate this topic with dinosaurs. You are all going to die one day, and the newer generations will be more accepting of abnormalities.
     
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    It's not complicated.
    But there are many people that can only view the world in binary terms.
    There's only up or down.
    Left or right.
    Forward or backwards.
    Gray areas of subjects is not comprehendible.
     
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    So no persecution then.

    Names are ALWAYS the first order of business when addressing the individual. There's no refusal needed. If the individual is in earshot, use their name. If you're talking about them when they're not there, 'he' or 'she' are correct. If you're talking about someone whose gender is unknown (IOW an unseen stranger), 'they' is appropriate. Since the individual in question is not present for either of the situations where their name isn't used, why would they care?

    PS: It's boorish as hell, to demand people do something other than the above. It's just plain old narcissism.
     
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    LOL at 'lack of understanding'. That's a good one!

    Meantime, yes the brain can have INJURIES. Children can be born brain injured due to hypoxia or other causes. Alternatively they can be born with significant structures missing via neural tube defects.

    There are no 'brain chemistry imbalances' that aren't a result of external influence. IE, stress hormones flooding the environment due to stress being experienced. All of it is a result of environment. None of it is genetic.
     
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    Their 'science' is about as useful as the 'science' of the medieval church.
     
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    This is actually a good idea!

    This fatuous BS needs to be trolled to death.
     
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    In the case of male/female it is that way.
    Whatever those over-pampered and over-arrogantly self-styled "non-binary" snow-flakes might say.
     
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    biology and science disagrees with your opinion.
    Hermaphrodites disagree with your opinion.
    Transgenders disagree with your opinion.
     
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