When the mother can feel it kicking in there, it's TOO LATE to get an abortion. Now, can most pro-choicers agree with this? (assuming there are no detectable abnormalities, etc)
At what month can a woman feel it kick? If it's before 23 weeks , abortion is legal so it wouldn't be too late..
Some women can start to feel some movement as early as 13 weeks, but some women may not feel movement until all the way at 22 weeks. 16-20 weeks is most typical. For some reason, first-time mothers very often do not feel kicks until around 18 to 22 weeks. I've heard a few stories about women who were scheduled for an abortion but changed their mind at the last moment after they suddenly felt movement for the first time. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/josie-cunningham-abortion-felt-baby-3464103
Why would the number of Por-Choicers matter? It's another of your scenarios , like your Panda thread, that really doesn't have much bearing on facts or real life or laws or science..
What's that , kazenatsu ? Can't answer yet another question? Care to explain why women's rights should be based on what some women feel or don't feel???
I am pro-human. If the kicking fetus is fatally damaged, then that is an informed choice for the mother and her doctor, not your.
And if it's not damaged, you still believe it's an informed choice for the "mother and her doctor", don't you.
The woman is taking it upon herself to make it her choice. You make the assumption that everyone has an absolute right to their body, but is that still true when you're sharing a body with somebody else?
Wow a woman changed her mind Stop press Truth is abortion is done because the woman has thought long and hard about choices
Your correct it’s not their choice if it causes harm on “somebody else”. The question becomes when it is “somebody else”.
No, pregnant women are not sharing their body with "someone" else. They are consenting to let a fetus use their body to develop to become "someone" at BIRTH. The woman is NOT "taking it upon herself", she has a RIGHT to her own body from the start just LIKE YOU DO....
Your question has been settled by the law and the courts. A fetus is not an independent "somebody else."
Guess slipping an abortion pill into a woman's drink isn't all that bad then, and women who are grieving over miscarriages are just being silly. (hope you can tell that that's sarcasm)
HOW could you ever arrive at that conclusion by reading : JakeStarkey said: ↑ A fetus is not an independent "somebody else."""" That's the most illogical conclusion I've seen yet in here... You don't seem to get that it's the pregnant woman's CHOICE...it isn't the choice of a pig who slips an abortion pill into her drink! ...and ""women who are grieving over miscarriages are just being silly"" NO, it wasn't their CHOICE to have a miscarriage, DUHHHHHHHHHHH they wanted the pregnancy so why wouldn't they grieve.... Your post didn't make any sense and maybe you should go back to your "Panda Fetuses Have Something to do With Abortion But I don't know What" thread
It's logical if you view the other side as a semantics argument. You, FoxHastings, are quite prone to selective interpretation of words as you see fit, when those words have emotionally-charged connotations. It's sort of like a feigned misunderstanding straw man argument.