Can we just say it?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Nov 10, 2019.

  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Put down the keyboard and go outside and get some fresh air.
     
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    I agree that she had loads of baggage
    Though not necessarily more than trump
    FWIW, I voted for neither
    Although, living in California, that Choice was not impactful

    How so?

    No one has alleged that the 2million from the charity impacted the election
    The charge is that it is unbelievably unethical.....
    ... certainly you see why people would think that?
    My numbers.... I do not recall ever providing number... although I do agree with those who have done so....

    He won’t the electoral vote... and Hillary certainly came up with a strategy that lost that vote
    But what difference does it make who won’t more states?
    Are you now saying that it is appropriate to withhold foreign aid from a country that does not agree to smear your political opponents?

    This appears to be concerning their respective foreign policy... not domestic politics

    do you agree that the founders were very clear that they did not want to allow foreign nations to intervene in our politics? And once again is ask.... do you think it is ok to use foreign aid for domestic political advantage?

    These happened during the election and so is relevant beyond morality
    Let’s agree that the founders were not stupid people,,,, if they meant “felonies”. They would have written that. Instead they wrote “high crimes and misdemeanors”. One had to at least ask the question why these particular words.

    as it happens, this is a phrase taken from English common law. I propose that is they lifted these words from English comon law...it is most likely that their intended meaning wad the meaning in English common law

    therefore

    Here’s the key point in summary: the evidence of original meaning overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that, at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, the composite term “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” was a well-established, familiar legal term of art that the framers consciously borrowed from longstanding English practice and usage dating back four centuries. That meaning was not so much “vague” as simply broad: a sweeping delegation of power and responsibility to the legislative bodies entrusted with the impeachment power. The term “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” had a broad meaning in English practice and in the American understanding, confiding to the two houses of the national legislature (under the U.S. Constitution, the House and the Senate, exercising their respective roles in the impeachment process) a sweeping range of power to punish what those political bodies determined to be misconduct or abuse of power by executive and judicial officers of a wide variety of types.​



     
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    Total BS? How interesting. Perhaps you could help me here and point out which parts of the post are "BS" or untrue. Was it about the Trump University? Was it about the Trump Charity rip off? Give me a clue.
     
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    I heard Hitler was a bad guy too, but I bet you could find a few things nice to say about him.
     
  5. Lesh

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    This is a dark moment for the nation
    Rationalize much?
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh wow, I finally see the light! If one can dig deep enough, they can justify anything. I'll bet if we went back to Adolph Hitler we could paint Trump a nice, honest, upstanding citizen that boils live children as a harmless hobby.
     
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    If you think that is the issue then you are clueless.

    It is such a ridiculous thing to say that one has to wonder if you can actually believe what you type, or are you just a scammer like trump?

    For starters, he called for extreme torture and mass murder. But you just ignore this. Why? Do you support extreme torture and cold-blooded murder; and why is that less bad than not being owned by corporations?
     
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    And still he is better than Clinton
     
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    Didnt you say Mueller provided more than enough proof of Trump's guilt?
    now it seems like your deflecting, so provide proof where Mueller said Trump was guilty please.

    I don't agree with it but I know it goes on all the time, Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama interfered in the Israeli election

    He wasn't fooling with that skank porn star during the election so that is B.S.
    he wasn't cheating on his wife during the campaign

    Do you really want to talk about morality?

    I ask again, what did Trump do that was considered high crimes and misdemeanor?


    Well you can sit there eating your roasted eggplant with avocado on your gluten free toast and posting nonsense, as I've never posted, suggested, indicated that Hitler or the Nazis were good people

    So try again sport.
     
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    Did you have problems with Bill Clinton's infidelity? Did you have a problem with him selling the White house as a B&B bed? Did you have a problem of him selling military secrets to China for campaign money? Or him and wifie stealing from the white house when they left?

    You do know that Roosevelt, Ike, Kennedy and Johnson all had long term affairs don't you?

    Lets not forget how Obama got one of the heaviest fines, $350,000 for hiding two million by campaign contributors.

    How stupid is this? Democrats want to elect Biden President for doing the same thing they want to impeach the President of doing. Holding up aid for Ukraine. But what is even dumber, it was the Obama/Biden who refuse to give Ukraine any weapons at all. And it was Trump that did. I can just see this in our history books. Not only that but their administration also refuse to arm the Kurds and give Jordan drones to use to fight ISIS.

    Unfit to serve the people? We have more people working today than any time in our history. Minorities have seen the lowest unemployment in their history. Lets see some of the other things he did.
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    Boy .. the authoritarians really hate wild cards.
     
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    The problem is the Following. The problem is with people who overlook the infidelity, the fraud, the theft, the lies, the racism, the laziness, the lack of basic decency. The problem is with people who allow themselves to be misinformed. People who don't reject the idea there are two realities.

    You nailed, Lee. He was elected by people who emulate Trump. He is a sexual predator, a thief, a liar, a bigot, and his supporters are proud of him. "We Support Donald Trump" is their motto and they provide cartoons and catchy, surrealistic phrases that glorify Trump while avoiding what Trump actually does and says.

    The worst of it is -- and this I cannot begin to understand -- is that Republicans in Congress are actually afraid of this bunch. In addition to Trump's worst traits as a human being, let alone a President, they know he should be impeached. Congressional Republicans know Trump asked for foreign interference in our Presidential election and used extortion as a weapon. They know Trump should be removed from office. But will they do it? No, because they are afraid of the people who voted for Trump. They are afraid of people who emulate a sexual predator, a thief, a liar, and a bigot,

    That makes no sense.

    Americans are responsible for Trump. Ninety million Americans stayed home on election day, 2016. Another ten million or so tossed their vote away on a candidate who could not possible win. Trump didn't even win the popular vote, but there it is. Americans allowed this to happen. We elected the most incompetent, least popular President in modern American history.

    I sincerely pray we have learned our lesson.
     
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    Thanks for summarizing. There's no way I was gonna read all that.
     
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    Not once did Lee forgive others for their misbehavior.

    You overlooked a very important factor. We are talking about our current President here and his unacceptable behavior.

    What are you trying to say? Because other politicians engaged in unacceptable behavior, are you arguing that Trump's unacceptable behavior is okay?

    Because of the faults of others, you may say it's okay, but the vast majority of Americans do not want a sexual predator, a thief, a liar, and a bigot as their President.
     
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    No,I thought I was pretty clear, my point is your side overlooks bad behavior for the most part when it comes to your favorite candidates, but crucifies Trump for every little thing like farting the wrong way

    I say that is hypocritical

    Understand now?
     
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    No one was more of a sexual predator than Bill Clinton. He also stole from the White House when he left. Obama lied his ass off. Is your insurance $2,500.00, or that much and more just in your deductible. Where are the one million shovel ready jobs Obama told us he had if elected? Did he have the most transparent administration than any other, or one of the most closed? Did he stop no bid contracts, stop lobbying,etc.etc.etc. There was no proof that Trump worked with Russia to influence the election. Show us proof he is a racist or bigot. Show me another President that has done more for America or the American people sense Roosevelt. He is anything but incompetent as I have continually shown. Yes, he will go down in history as the best President in decades and the most hated. Mostly because of the lying bias news that refuse to tall any of the great things he has done. People like you that refuse to give him credit for anything.
     
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    Really, we do. Please provide examples of what you said.

    Or did you just make up? I'm betting you can't substantiate what you say. That is a common tactic with Trumpets.
     
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    How about Truman. What did he do wrong? How about LBJ? Carter? In case you haven't noticed, this thread is about our current President.
     
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    LMFAO

    Too easy, just look at the crap said about Trump

    He allegedly interfered with the Ukraine, yet Obama and Bill Clinton interfered with Israel elections, Nobody said squat about Obama and Bubba Clinton

    Your people say Trump is racist because he doesn't want illegals here, yet when Eisenhower program " operation wetback" was in effect, nobody is yelling to remove IKE name off anything or rename schools or streets that are named after him

    Democrats wanted a fence to secure the border, starting with the late Barbara Jordan in the 1990's , even Little Chucky Schumer and Nancy Pelosi talked about securing the border with a fence but Trump wants a wall so its racist? A fence is okay but a wall is racist

    Speaking of Trump racism, he was accused or they accused his father who died decades ago scheming with the Klan, yet Robert Byrd and actual ex klansman grand poobah wizard was in congress for how many decades?

    Obama claimed he deported the most illegals although he changed the deportation rules, so how come no one talks about that?

    Bubba Clinton signed off on some draconian laws about immigration and the crack epidemic in the African american community

    Your people spent all the time and resources to nail Judge Neil Kavanaugh for alleged incidents in college decades ago but when perverted pictures of Katie Hill surfaces ,the left said she is entitled to her privacy blah blah blah, even though she was conducting her sexual fantasies while running for office and if memory serves me correctly she lambasted Kavanagh, funny how karma works

    Did Trump screw the skanky porn star when he ran for President?

    Funny how they let Teddy Kennedy off the hook with the drowning of an intern at Chappaquiddick, but wants to hang Trump by his balls for making a lewd comment about "grabbing women by the pussy" which was a private conservation that was leaked


    Shall I go on?
     
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    Willfully blind
     
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    That would be fine if you had complained at what the others did when they were in office. But what the Left does is ignore what Obama and Clinton did and when Trump gets elected, you only want to talk about him. The trouble is, the Left hasn't got a clue at all the stuff Trump has done because all the bias news reports is the negative. Nothing positive.


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    The bs from the right is simply astounding.
    They know he's scum. They don't care what good you think he has done.
     

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