Can we just say it?

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Banned Donor

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    That was a little incoherent. Are you saying stealing from a charity isn't a crime? Or groping women, not a crime?
     
  2. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    Nothing incoherent about it.
    Did he say he actually 'groped' a women, or did he say he could...
    If he 'stole' from a charity, would he not be already in jail? It could not be proven.
     
  3. GChairman

    GChairman Active Member

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    The moment you mention "Trump did in the past"


    You're missing the point

    Good lord, do you even read your posts? that makes no sense at all.

    NAACP ...LMFAO, the same NAACP that Rachel Dolezal a white woman pretending to be black as a chapter president, how about Shawn King?

    Please they have no credibility

    But thanks for playing




     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Donor

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    But still, you keep on making him look good. Look at what you overlook, and how offended you are that people don't all agree with you.
     
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    Did you support Bill Clinton?

    He is entitled to his opinion, I just dont agree with it and challenge him on it, but it seems they cannot respond without ad hominems, vagueness and propaganda
     
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    Sorry I read the article and that is his opinion, you can see the author of the article didnt read the entire Mueller report, Im betting most people have not, but this guy has

    Mueller makes its very clear about "collusion"

    Excerpt
    In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing, the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign “coordinat[ed]”

    page 2 , volume 1

    I can only go by what Mueller actually said, not some author/blogger/vlogger opinion of what he thinks he said
     
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    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    You are not concerned that he is close friends with more than one pedophile, and was accused multiple times of raping teenaged girls at parties held by Jeffrey Epstein? Or that he said he ca assault any woman he wants and get away with it because he's rich and famous? How about the fact that he's been accused of forcing the teenaged girls at his teen beauty pageants to undress with him in the room, and that they were told ifhat if they wants to win they had to "deal with it".

    But if we are talking about his other criminal activies....
    1; He's used his businesses to launder money for the mafia, and has been under investigation for it, as well as racketeering several times.

    2; He's had people threatened and assaulted by hired thugs for refusing to do business with him.

    3; He's tried to bribe government officials to use eminent domain to take peoples' properties and sale them to him.

    4; He's committed various housing violatons, by ordering his apartment buildings to discriminate against minority tenants, and having thugs threaten tenants who complain about anything or legally withhold rent for Trump's failures to keep his buildings to code.
     
  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Banned Donor

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    He lies........what does what he says have to do with the fact HE DID grope women?
    He was fined $2M because he used money from his charitable foundation for his campaign........among other things.
    You can't imagine how tired I am of seeing a Trumpette deny objective reality.

    Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation
    https://apnews.com/7b8d0f5ce9cb4cadad948c2c414afd57

    NEW YORK (AP) — A judge Thursday ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to an array of charities as a fine for misusing his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests.

    New York state Judge Saliann Scarpulla imposed the penalty after the president admitted to a series of abuses outlined in a lawsuit brought against him last year by the New York attorney general’s office.
     
  9. jcarlilesiu

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    LOL.

    What a joke. Seriously.

    The left fails to governor throwing an incessant hissy fit about Trump winning, investigation after investigation, and it's the opposing voters fault for being "mis-informed".

    The amount of arrogance it takes to not only hold the positions you do, but to convince yourself that you are right and everybody else is wrong is astounding. I bet you're a hoot at Thanksgiving.
     
  10. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Banned Donor

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    I'm ready to accept your apology.

    Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation
    https://apnews.com/7b8d0f5ce9cb4cadad948c2c414afd57

    NEW YORK (AP) — A judge Thursday ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to an array of charities as a fine for misusing his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests.

    New York state Judge Saliann Scarpulla imposed the penalty after the president admitted to a series of abuses outlined in a lawsuit brought against him last year by the New York attorney general’s office.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I won't apologize for your hyper partisanship.
     
  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Banned Donor

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    Were you wrong when you said............"The left fails to governor throwing an incessant hissy fit about Trump winning, investigation after investigation"..........or were you right regarding the investigation in to his misuse of charitable funds?
     
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    You completely missed the boat. The above is indeed a concern. Stormy however was not on a relative basis - There is a spectrum here.

    The whole point of my post was to say that there were a whole lot of things about Trump that one can legitimately criticize ... the above is one example . and I can give numerous others.

    Stormy was Tabloid trash - not addressing a serious issue - like the one you brought up.
     
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    I don't like Trump, but I am tired of seeing false statements by hyper partisan Democrats that only succeed in adding to the ridiculous BS and Trump could personally find the cure for cancer, and you all would have a problem with it.

    You need to do a little further research on what happened, and how it was handled. He was not 'fined', nor admitted to any such thing. He agreed to close down his charity, and it's assets were donated to other charities.
     
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    Oh then please enlighten me about your personal information regarding what is on Mitch McConnell's desk.
     
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    No one forced you guys to announce your investigations. They coulda been done in secret.

    ...if they weren't fake and just manufactured as an excuse to obstruct everything. Which they were.

    Here's a tip: when the Dems come out with evidence of something they've been investigating quietly so as to not tip off Trump, Im gonna start listening, because thats how real investigations into corruption are conducted. Calling CNN first is what you do when you got nothing but wanna make a bunch of noise anyway.
     
  18. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Banned Donor

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    On a 1-10 scale your level of denial of demonstrable facts is a 10.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6542108-trump-foundation-decision.html
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Can you cite this announcement? is anything done in secret anymore?
     
  20. modernpaladin

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    Are you suggesting the Dems have an 'anonymous WH sources (whistleblower)' problem, and thats why all their investigations are front page news on day one?

    Because iirc, outing a secret investigation can warrant obstruction charges... Is that what you think should be sought?
     
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  21. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Who said the investigation was secret? That doesn't mean it was purposely announced either.
     
  22. modernpaladin

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    If its not secret, then theres the problem.

    Why not open a secret investigation? If the administration is corrupt, surely a secret investigation is necessary...
     
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    In his testimony on Tuesday, William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Kiev, effectively confirmed that the President withheld military aid from Ukraine in a quid pro quo effort to pressure that country’s leader to incriminate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and smear other Democrats.

    Government sources in the Ukrainian capital said Washington pressured Zelensky's camp directly about the need to accommodate Trump's desires or no military aid.

    After confirming quid pro quo, acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said this is how business is done in the Trump administration and "Get over it."

    Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council's top Ukraine expert, testified today. He is first current White House staffer to testify, and the Ukrainian expert was in on the phone call, Vindman, a decorated veteran from the Iraq War, speaks both Ukrainian and Russian, a distinct advantage over other witnesses who have confirmed the quid pro quo nature of the call.

    According to a copy of his statement, Vindman was so troubled by the call that he reported his concerns to a superior.

    "I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government's support of Ukraine," Vindman said in his opening statement. "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained."

    "This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC's lead counsel."

    According to the Ukrainian expert on the NSC, Trump created a national security threat to our country.

    Why? Ukraine is the first line of defense against Russian aggression.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Hey, he's not promising to take more of my money and give it to lazy, useless human leeches, or take our guns away so pus rocket pansies can feel safe. He's not promising to teach our sons about ass sex with other boys in grade school.
    So there's that.
     
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    Let's not pretend you are looking for an honest and open debate.

    You are here to shove your views down other people's throats and scream "You're wrong!" to anybody that doesn't perfectly align to your views.

    In short. It's pointless to attempt to have a rational discussion with you.
     

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