Canada soon to outright ban more categories of guns

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Totally false, you area hard core anti-gunner and have clearly demonstrated in a single post where you let down your guard and revealed your true intentions.

    "Proper background checks.
    Membership of a "militia" or certified gun club
    Proper storage of firearm, ammunition (bolt in separate place for some rifles)
    Yearly check of rifling on bullets ('cos they change a lot)
    Renewed background checks every 5 years.
    Registration of weapon
    etc.
    etc.
    etc."
     
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    Try limiting immigration generally instead of concentrating on a nation that happens to be filled with ethnic minorities.
     
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    A bolt action from prior to ww2 (a really good bolt action, I've got 2 myself, but still) and something that's not a firearm.. Yeah you're real experienced with guns there sonny
     
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    I have discovered a lot of anti's use virtual guns in an attempt to gain some credibility, they find what seems like a cool sounding gun on Google and that is the gun they have owned for their entire life.

    Also most hunters I know don't shoot pigs, the shoot hogs.

    Shooting pigs if a BLM kinda thing.
     
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    yeah, like to get .222 rifle and also a .17 air rifle.
    But we live on a farm.
     
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    They say "slippery slopes are a fallacy" but often they are not. Look at issues like trans-gender,
    euthanasia and the like. I fully understand and accept your basic premise that slippery slopes
    can happen with gun laws too. But NO gun laws? Come on.
     
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    hearwhatyouresaying.jpg
     
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    Not NO gun laws. You can't shoot someone for no reason, or fire into the air creating a dangerous condition etc.
    We're just talking about no arbitrary and capricious laws restricting ownership or possession.
    We're talking about not levying additional punishments on persons who have served out their sentences. The flip side of that being if you think letting them back out as full citizens with their rights is so dangerous, maybe you should've kept them in their cell a while longer. Its also constitutionally repugnant to have multiple classes of citizens so we need to fix it on multiple levels.
     
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    It's pretty plausible an OZZIE might still have granddads lee enfield.

    Here in Texas we shoot pigs generally, hog or sow makes no difference: they're javelina and fair game at all times when in conformance with other law (like not shooting from a road or in a residential neighborhood etc).
    If that person is in OZ on a farm, iirc the same rules apply to wild pigs there too.
     
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    Again you are demonstrating how little you understand of the subject. the US has something like 20,000 gun laws in effect and they have done little or nothing to solve problem with criminals using guns.

    As such I believe it is necessary to eliminate 99%+ of them and then come up with a real solution, which is criminal control, not gun control, for gun control is merely treating the symptom akin to giving a person with cancer pain killers, yea they might feel better, but the core problem still exists.

    Another factor the anti's refuse to accept is gun laws only effect the law abiding, criminals do not obey gun laws, face it murder is a serious crime with serious penalties, so what possible good can a relatively minor gun law with meaningless penalties provide?

    Answer nothing, but the anti's don't care because they are not concerned with the criminal misuse of guns, their entire goal is to make it very tough or impossible for the law abiding to possess a gun.

    And yes and proven to be true that gun control laws are a slippery slope, because that is how we ended up with 20,000 gun laws, which are not working and what are the anti's calling for? More gun laws.

    It's insanity.

    "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
     
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    Then it is being agreed on the part of yourself, that firearms such as an AR-15 should not be treated any differently than what many regard as a common, everyday hunting rifle.
     
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    How does this affect my rights?
     
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    They do. the state can't mandate them,. however.
    Someone lied to you.
     
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    Firearms have innumerable legal purposes- only one of them is to kill.
     
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    All of this violates our constitution.
     
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    Personally I believe if the people wanted to be passionate about suicide and really cared about others, they would provide a free service where a person could receive consoling and guidance and if that person still wanted to end their life then provide them a sure and as painless as possible method to do so.

    Something like an IV and the injection of the proper chemicals in the proper order, something like having a trained person set the IV and give the person some privacy and a button to push.

    I know if I was inflicted with something incurable and painful I would prefer to just get it over with, or if I was rendered in a vegetative state they would just pull the plug and let whats going to happen, happen, screw being connected to a bunch of machines to keep me alive.

    When I was in my 20's that happened to my mother, my girlfriend found about it before I did and she went to the hospital, when I got home from work she told me what had happened and told me not to go to the hospital, there was nothing I could do and I would just get upset.

    She later confided she knew what I would do and she thought it was better to wait a few days for the rest of the family to get here and we could talk about it, they showed up and voted down my idea of issuing a Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) order, the only problem was, even though we didn't get along well, my mother had me promise I would not let her be kept alive that way.

    The next day I went to the hospital walked into the room looked over the equipment that was connected to her, her sister, my aunt was there, she like my mother didn't live in this world, they both surrounded themselves in a materialistic fantasy world where they had the best of everything, including the best friends money could buy, including in my mothers case, a best girl friend.

    I stood there listening to her talking to my mother detailing on how in just a few weeks everything would be just fine and they could go out again on the boat or go to the beach and fly kites, all kinds of weird BS.

    I had enough of it, I had a promise to keep, so I walked out to the nurse's station identified who I was and requested a DNR for my mother, a very nice person took me into a room we sat down and she explained to me what might happen if I issued the order, I signed it and she passed that night.

    The next day a Saturday, all He** broke loose, but I didn't care my job was done.
     
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    Not to mention will not have any effect on the criminal misuse of guns, but as I stated that doesn't matter to the anti's, all they want to do is harass law abiding people and considering the cloth they are cut from, one wonders how many of them actually advocate for the perceived rights of criminals while trampling on the actual rights of the law abiding.


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    Well, change your constitution.

    To drive a car in Australia (must surely be similar to the USA)
    Proper health requirements
    Yearly check for defects
    License renewal (re-test for over 80's)
    Checks for road rule violations which could cancel license
    Registration of vehicle

    And this is to drive a car - not own an assault rifle designed to kill humans.
     
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    So AK47's and AR15's are not designed to kill people? Why were they designed,
    for military parades?
     
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    The first semiautomatic rifle in the US was made in 1903, in .22 LR. It wasn't designed as military rifle. The first semiautomatic centerfire rifle, complete with box magazine in the US was the Remington Model 8, designed for hunting. The Remington Model 8 used a removable box magazine that held up to 15 rounds. The .224 caliber bullet was first used in the .220 Swift, in 1935, for hunting. The .223 Remington was based on the .222 Remington, a hunting cartridge. The Remington model 760, a hunting rifle, chambered in .223 Remington, was sold to civilians before the M16 was used by the US military. The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the DELVIGNE PATENT carbine made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
    There is nothing unique to the AR-15, other than the bayonet lug, that wasn't used in a hunting rifle before ever being used in an M16 or AR-15. Show that a bayonet on an AR-15 was used to kill more than five people in the last 55 years and I’ll give up the bayonet lug.
     
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    Well, if in some countries right now you have "speech codes" to protect trans people.
    Canada is like that, I think Britain too. Not sure if this has arrived in the USA yet.
    You must use correct pronouns for trans people, by force of law.
    And PC culture is stifling the arts, general culture, work place laws, campus life and the
    like. Free speech can be curtailed, children can be removed from parents etc..
     
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    Since ratification of the Bill of Rights in 1791, it's been changed just 17 times, in over 11,000 attempts.

    In US v Cruikshank. 1876, SCOTUS recognized that "The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence." Regardless of the existence of the 2nd Amendment, the right would still exist.
     
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    You're talking about countries that don't have a Bill of Rights that protect freedom of speech. In the US, even hate speech is protected speech.
     
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    Sure, I like the .222 - that's my next rifle when I get my firearm license again.
    And I respect the fact that the govt will be a background check on me, force
    me to keep firearm and ammunition under separate lock and key, make me do
    a stringent firearm course etc.. Makes me feel a tad safer to think it isn't easy
    to just go out and get a gun.
    And how sinister is a hand gun with a silencer? If you are found with one of
    those then watch out. I quietly got rid of my .22 silencer.
    But all the above are designed for killing. That's the issue.
     
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    So what is happening on your campuses? Speakers are being "dis-invited" or
    shut down with threats of violence, conservative academics have been dismissed
    under the guise of anti-racist, anti-trans, anti-gay, anti-women rhetoric. Books have
    quietly vanished from bookshelves. Comedians are facing woke culture fanatics.
    Statues torn down. People are being attacked for holding alternate views etc etc..
     

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