Cancel the election and do over?

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Cancel the election and do over?

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, some are calling for us to cancel the current election results and start over.

    this time, using ONLY paper ballots that are counted by hand.

    and you can ONLY vote on Election Day, in person. NO absentee ballots.

    should we do this?
     
  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    To get to that point, a state court is going to have to rule, based on pretty compelling evidence, that the election is irretrievably tainted as that is the only resolution to a spoiled election. It happened recently in New Jersey due to, you guessed it, mail in ballots.

    New Local Election Ordered in N.J. After Mail-In Voter Fraud Charges

    In the days before New Jersey’s third-largest city held municipal elections in May entirely by mail, postal workers became suspicious when they found hundreds of ballots bundled together.

    The discovery triggered an investigation that led to charges of voter fraud against two local elected leaders and resulted in nearly 20 percent of the ballots being rejected. It also prompted President Trump to cite the case as an example of how mail-in voting can corrupt elections, though election experts staunchly disagree.

    On Wednesday, a New Jersey judge ruled that the election in Paterson, N.J., had been irreversibly tainted and ordered a new vote to be held in November to settle the race for the City Council seat.

    The superior court judge, Ernest M. Caposela, wrote that the election “was not the fair, free and full expression of the intent of the voters.”
     
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    cristiansoldier Well-Known Member

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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure.... if we want to dump the constitution. Not to mention over a million Covid deaths.

    These have probably been the cleanest elections in the last... century or two. Not counting institutionalized voter suppression, that is.
     
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    Australia would really look good about then.
     
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    Just declare Trump the winner 538-0 and name him dictator for life

    That is what he and his conned followers want
     
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    Bow To The Robots Well-Known Member

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    Wait, what? A fair and accurate election is how you get a dictatorship? :eyepopping:
     
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    Bow To The Robots Well-Known Member

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    Because a fair and accurate election is a bad thing??? :omfg:
     
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    Bow To The Robots Well-Known Member

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    There is fraud in every election. We know this. If reports are correct, this one was a doozy. Should we not just want a fair and accurate election?
     
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    That is impractical and impossible. To the extent possible, the FBI and DOJ should investigate credible claims of fraud thoroughly. It appears they have not done so. If they have, they have certainly been quiet about it. Going forward, in person voting with valid ID is the way to go. Absentee ballots should be permitted in extenuating circumstances and chain of custody of those ballots should be carefully monitored. If we cannot trust our election system, we have a banana republic. Welcome to the third world.
     
  12. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Donor

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    When people are bringing pigs and goats into polling stations and are unable to provide a picture ID then you may want to take a look at your state's voting laws.
     
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    Then why do you want to exclude overseas personnel?
     
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    Many of the alleged fraud claims have been debunked. A lot of it is based on lies, exaggeration, flawed math, and lots of repeated inaccurate info. Case after case has been thrown out. Arizona & Nevada today. From the Nevada Judge

    Judge James Russell ruled Friday against the Trump campaign’s unprecedented request to either block certification of the state’s presidential election results or award the state’s electoral votes to Trump, saying in a written order that the campaign’s claims of voter fraud to the level needed to bring the state’s presidential results into question fell far short of the evidentiary standard needed to contest the results of the presidential election.

    In his 35-page order, Russell wrote that he found the evidence offered by the Trump campaign to have “little to no value,” and failed to provide under any standard of proof that the campaign’s long list of alleged fraud and vote irregularities could be backed up under any evidentiary standard.

    “Contestants did not prove under any standard of proof that any illegal votes were cast and counted, or legal votes were not counted at all, for any other improper or illegal reason, nor in an amount equal to or greater than 33,596, or otherwise in an amount sufficient to raise reasonable doubt as to the outcome of the election,” Russell wrote in the order. “Reasonable doubt is one based on reason, not mere possibility.”


    You guys are being conned to the tune of 200m+ and counting. I know that nothing that I say will convince you of that, but it is the truth. I am not a fan of Democrats/Biden either. However, I know evil when I see it, and I will always vote against evil
     
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    Have you donated to Trump's election lawsuit fund yet?
     
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    And none of Trump's lawyers have presented any evidence of fraud in court. Why? ....--because lying to a judge will end their career. IT'S ILLEGAL TO LIE TO A JUDGE. And they know it.
     
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    All things considered.......at this point
    It would be THE ONLY way to get an honest, transparent election.
    What we got is a fraudulent catastrophe

    This is going to subvert America forever going forward. It's a painful proposition, but completely losing faith in the democratic election system is a far greater cut and will lead to longer lasting bleeding of the nation.

    Sorry, the Naysayers are DEAD WRONG.
    As painful as it may be it needs a re do.
    That is THE ONLY way forward.

    People want to move on because they feel they "won" (they didn't) or it will cause a Constitutional crisis. We're already in a Constitutional crisis.
    If this stands, Americans will never again trust the election process.
    This will have profound effects on freedom and none good.

    A lot of shortsightedness and selfishness going on.
     
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    GET REAL. Once was more than enough get rid of the TRASH. He LOST BIG TIME !!!!
     
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    Biden lost BIG TIME.....agreed

    Throwing away the democratic process because you erroneously think you "won" is really, really.....let's just say "not intelligent"

    CLEARLY there was too much fraud. No denying that.
    Was it enough to sway the election?
    That's what needs to be fully investigated.
    And if it can't be....then toss it and start over.

    Obviously, the anti-Americans will want to keeps things as is.
     
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    You mischaracterized that. The election was the MOST honest and transparent one in a long, long time. The problem you should have noted is the refusal to accept it and the attempt to discredit it. Voting again won't correct that.

    But instead, you and your cohort are saying that ALL Democrats, ALL democrats, ALL non-RW journalists, ALL main stream media, ALL the Republicans who have seen the light and rejected Trump (of which there are MANY), ALL the known and trusted non-partisan election experts ....... in short, EVERYONE except for the loyal Trump lackeys, are lying.

    Do you have any idea of the probability of you and your cohort being right is? Hint: it is very near zero. But don't let overwhelming logic stop you from helping the quislings overthrow the USA.
     
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    People that have lost faith are those who believe the lies of your dictator want to be. Meanwhile he has conned you out of another 200m+

    Court after court has thrown out cases due to lack of evidence. Powell's lawsuit in Michigan

    “Few lawsuits breathe more lies than this one,” said the 45-page court document, which was shared online. “The allegations are little more than fevered rantings of conspiracy theorists built on the work of other conspiracy theorists

    You are being lied to. I know nothing I say will convince you. I feel sorry for you and the others because you have allowed someone to manipulate your distrust of gov't & media to his advantage.

    I am not a fan of democrats/Biden either, but I see the BS on both sides, but what Trump has and continues to do is historically evil
     
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    Nope.

    You lost on your first statement.
    There are already over 100 witness affidavits testifying to fraud in addition to considerable statistical, circumstantial and material evidence available.

    You are grossly mistaken and or willfully ignorant...or worse.
    Just because you don't like Mr. Trump does not validate your emotional responses.
     
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    Your first statement invalidates your post.
    You and others are speaking from a purely emotional point of view.

    What you are ignoring is evidence and fact.
    Trump still has a CLEAR PATH to the presidency for his 2nd term.
    Your media may deny this, but that doesn't make it so.
     
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    Dirty DONALD has to be the Worlds Worst MOST PATHETIC LOSER IN HISTORY.
     
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    LOL!!!! ONE HUNDRED???? You don't think it would be easy to find that many liars and ignorant dopes among Trump's loyal band of lackeys? And AFFIDAVITS???? To be meaningful they have to be proven. How many have been proven? Just look at that video of vote counters preparing for their task and listen to the moronic audio describing normal preparations in false and carefully-worded terms of "criminal wrongdoing" if you're able to watch it with a critical mind. It's all bullshit. Just like your affidavits. Get your lawyers to bring it to court. Go ahead. I could use another laugh today.
     
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