Case of Baby K

That flies in the face of medical ethics to force a sick woman to terminate the care she needed because they refused to provide the abortion for the fetus that would have never have survived the oncology treatment anyway.

 

And that is what we face here. There have been peri natal deaths due to the lack of access to abortions

 

Hold the politicians responsible for those needless deaths by publicly shaming them.

Inevitably some of those women would already have been mothers so demand that the politicians explain to their children why they allowed their mothers to do when a medical procedure could have saved them.

Politicians are cowards and will run away from those questions and that is what will make them change the law so that they don't have to face the consequences of their failures.

 

Yup, I notice that no politicians in this election season are bringing up the issue of women losing the right to their own bodies.

They are cowards...they should be defending American citizens rights since they're being attacked and they aren't...

 

With the discussions around late term abortions I think this thread is topical again

 

So you think abortion at later gestational ages should be allowed if the baby is not all completely perfect (?)

Shouldn't we be concerned about exactly where the line is drawn?

Surely you're not advocating aborting every child in the womb with any disability.
(Don't tell me that should be all up to the woman's choice)

 

It happens now

How often are cases like Baby K kept alive? If it were not so our NICUs would be choked with babies receiving futile care interventions

 

Because the mother wants them to be kept alive.

Are you arguing care should be refused to those parents?


Or are you claiming that cases like Baby K are being futilely kept alive right now, and tens of thousands of dollars wasted, over the objections of the mother?

 

You are confusing your terminology.

An abortion is not performed on a two year old.

...and for clarification. When a doctor has to remove the body of the fetus from the womb to complete the abortion...that is not birth.

 

How many futile medical care babies are currently being kept alive in NICUs

How many “Baby Ks” are there out there?

 

This case the mother did not want to abort.

In the cases in NY and Virginia, the new laws was trying to clarify that if a women did change her mind in a case like this...that she be allowed to abort into late in the 3rd trimester.

In one state...it took the consent of 3 doctors instead of one to confirm the abortion. that was clearly done to make an abortion harder to get.

 

Well then no problem there, is it, Pro-Choicers?

 

What part of “choice” is difficult?

 

Don't you believe the woman's choice ends once it comes out of the womb?

 

choice
/tʃɔɪs/
noun

1. 1.
   an act of choosing between two or more possibilities.
   "the choice between good and evil"
   synonyms: option, alternative, possibility, possible course of action; More

 

Very few. But that is why we have laws. To contend with as many contingencies as possible. Some cases will still need to go to the courts for sorting out or permission.

That is why ....intent of the law is needed by which the judge can rule.

 

Do they always have to go before a judge or can life support be withdrawn in known hopeless cases?

 

I think if it's very obvious, and there's actually a doctor or some sort of expert in these types of specific matters it would be okay.

Less obvious cases should have to go before a bioethics council. Most hospitals have one. (They're really actually much more informal than you'd think)

 

Then why is even remotely an issue?

 

Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying or asking now.

Before I was simply bringing up the irony of you bringing up what to do with the baby after it was born, when this discussion is in the context of abortion and the woman's choice.
(But I might have been misinterpreting what you were saying, that can tend to happen when you give elusive answers)

I suppose when you asked "What part of 'choice' is difficult?" I interpreted that as you saying the woman should have the choice after it was born.
If I was wrong about this, you can scratch everything I said for the last 2 posts.

 

I'm not convinced cases like the one of baby K are the reason for most abortions at 15-20 weeks.

 

So? First you don't need to be convinced and second, abortions at 15 -20 weeks are legal

 

Because you are goal post shifting
15 - 20 weeks is legal and the majority of THOSE are lack of access to facilities or funds

 

Palliative care is palliative care and whether that is pre birth or post birth it does not matter

What matters is the grief that the family is going through and some know nothing twonks rabbiting on about “baby murder” do not in any way help those families