Catherine Deneuve denounces #MeToo in open letter

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    [http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/10/europe/catherine-deneuve-france-letter-metoo-intl/index.html]

    Well, Cathrine is probably politically not correct, but really a Latin woman ...

    Being Italian, I understand her.

    I wonder if Anglo-Saxon culture offers a different "background" where what she's saying is a complete nonsense ... or not?
     
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    She makes some good points. Some immature women are claiming sexual harassment over what once thought of only as courtship rituals. Luckily there are still plenty of more sophisticated women around who understand the differences.
     
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    I'm thinking that after an initial and probably legitimate number of claims the ensuing frenzy of accusations were mostly spurious. The attorney, who's often in the camera and whose name escapes me, has (IMO) a lot to do with the hysteria.
     
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    Well she's right of course because things like " he touched me on the bottom or knee" just diminishes the real problem which is rape and physical or domestic abuse, also abuse of power like Harvey Weinstein using his position of privilege to force women to have sex with him... How does this compare with something as insignificant as "he touched me on the knee".

    Also agree the swift justice is wrong, character assassination via social media.

    The #MeToo movement did a lot of good, however I agree there are those who are completely clueless about sexual harassment or abuse and it's not doing the #MeToo movement any favours.

    Ps. As for Michael Fallon, I think Julia Harley-Brewer owes him an apology.
     
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    I just love her Chanel no. 5 commercials from the 1970's. Here's one:

     
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    My problem with the #MeToo movement is all the stars coming out now claiming that they were sexually harassed and only kept quiet because of they felt they needed to protect their careers. If you sleep with a guy or put up with a guys harassment in order to advance your career then you literally have no right to complain in this day and age. Second, some of these so called victims have been very famous and influential actresses for years now and only decided to speak out when it became popular. Jennifer Lawrence has been a top actress for going on 5 years now and only now does she speak out?

    I can't wait to see the train wreck at the end of this entire thing. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
     
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    Being a woman, I don't understand her.

    I've been on the receiving end of men's "freedom to pester". I witnessed sexual harassment at work. I've been told to dress sexy if I want to keep my job. I did, once, just to see their eyes bulging and their brains melting, then I quit.

    There's nothing worse for a young woman than seeing herself reflected in men's eyes as a sex toy (as opposed to being desired, which leaves some room for the possibility of non-sexual relationship). Flirting to get sex is legitimate. Pestering to get sex is disgusting, it not only diminishes the men who do the pestering, it completely destroys a woman's trust in her own ability to enter into and maintain a normal relationship with men.

    Men need to learn that the Universe doesn't revolve around their family jewels.
     
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    Most of these women have come forward WAY too late, in my opinion. It's a male witch hunt..aka Warlock Hunt. Especially that Rose McGowan. She took hush money, stayed silent, then tried to make it seem like she started the whole thing with her "rosearmy" crap. She doesn't get any more parts, ran out of the hush fund, and decided to do some paybacks. Unfortunately for her, she got busted AFTER claiming what she did and didn't tell her followers about her accepting his money to keep her mouth shut.
     
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    told you so.
     
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    Told who so what??
     
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    Reminds me of Pepe Le Pew.

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    It's about time. Only a woman could have delivered this message I was waiting for, as a man would have been literally crucified for saying it these days - whereas she is merely taking a lot of flak from puritan feminists and flaccid pinkmen.

    Curious thing is that I never was a fan of Deneuve before this day. There are risks and dangers associated with human interactions - that's what make them interesting.

    I have little care for the society of thin-skinned robots "they" are shaping us to be.
     
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    Pepe LePew is a sexual aggressor and should be thrown in jail. :buggered:
     
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    Now wait a minute there; Rose McGowan was aggressed, maybe even raped. She didn't just encountered a clumsy, insistant pretendant, but an aggressor in a position of authority, one that made sure he's got his revenge using all of his power for having been said "no". And therein lays the crime.

    (That's probably why she can't get parts, BTW.)

    I don't care if McGowan took the cash. If the court wants to include that cash in a future judgement between the two, then by all means let it do it. A crime isn't made better by a corruption attempt. Do you have a daughter?
     
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    It's hard to translate, but she used precise words. "Importuner" who is different from "harrass", she wanted to say that if you seduce, you can potentially annoy, however the limit with harrassement is the fact that some men don't hear "no", insult or worse are violent.

    The problem is that the man who flirt was put by some so called feminist in the same category than the one who call a woman "slut" because she didn't answered their sexual offers.
     
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    I don't agree. I think those who approve of this letter are hearing what they want to hear, not what is the reality across the world. It isn't just women in anglo-saxon countries who are participating in MeToo, it is a worldwide movement.
     
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    And you don't see any issue with the fact that the difference between flirting and pestering is determined entirely within the mind of the woman and based on nothing but whether or not she finds the guy attractive or interesting?

    What you are demanding from men amounts to telepathy. We aren't always able to tell the difference between a woman being interested in our flirting and her being uninterested but polite. So our only choice is to keep going until she makes it clear she isn't interested.

    The problem is with women like you who feel like if they have to make themselves clear they have been pestered. Guys should just "know".
     
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    The metoo movement is dangerous. Not to men or bigots and rapists, but to the fabric if our society.

    It promotes a cultural norm in which accusations don't need to be proven and the rule of law is rendered irrelevant. A woman can accuse a man about something that may or may not have happened decades ago and that man's life is destroyed. No investigation is done to determine the veracity of the accusation. It's just accepted as true and instantly the accused is guilty.

    Worse, many of these events aren't even clear crimes. Something considered normal or not seen as harassment 30 years ago but not acceptable today, essentially punishing a man for not being decades ahead of his time.

    Even the most conservative statistics on false accusations would dictate that there are men who have been falsely accused and had their lives destroyed for no reason but we will never know about them because, as I mentioned before, actually proving that an offense took place is not a trait of these accusations.

    It's literally just "you did X to me decades ago please vanish from society forever" and society for some terrifying reason is giving a nod of approval.

    We are approaching a new frontier where you don't need to prove assertions anymore and even proving yourself innocent in the face of an accusation is pointless since you likely won't be believed and the damage has already been done.
     
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    Yes, it's amazing how the smell of money can have the effect of sharpening the senses, or in this case, the memory?
     
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    As a man I think that limits between flirting and harrassement are not that hard :
    _ No unwanted physical contact
    _ No insults
    _ If she ask to leave her alone, leave her alone.

    But some women over react and consider simply flirting as harrassement, far to be all of them by the way, but some have difficulties to know that trying to sweet talking with a woman isn't harrassement.
     
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    If you still don't understand why women don't report sexual harrassment and assault, then you are just not paying attention.
     
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    If problem with sexual harassment exist it is strictly American problem and it is stupid.
    In USA recreational sex is a crime that were whole perversion is coming from

    In order to get sex, men has to get into the power position and then use it to get sex.
    If women do not like sexual harassment, they should decriminalize prostitution.

    Remember the Scarface
    Tony Montana: In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.
     
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    No. In France we have problems too. One of the main problems is young arabic/black people harrassing women in the streets, calling them names and becoming sometimes violent. That's not the only one problem, there is problems created by all kind of people on workplaces.
    Why they don't report ? Fear of repercussions, the few usefullness of that for them.

    I mention their colour of skin to precise there is a cultural problem, not one of color of skin. As far as I know, they don't have the same problems in Guadeloupe and Martinique, neither in Corsica. But Corsica have a part of the solution : violence.
     
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    That is totally different, that is a real harassment and it is a result of progressive policies. And since feminists support progressives, they are part of the problem.
    In U.S. sexual harassment is any attempt to date woman if woman does not want it.
     
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    Okay enough BS did these men rape you as an example I mean shove a hand into your body somewhere, toss you over a desk and take you sexually or in any way actually violate you or just words and maybe coped a feel and did you react like my mom would a smack across their lecherous face hard. You and other women can avoid this just stand up for yourselves but having a witch hunt on no or little evidence is wrong most of these women in Hollywood are in a position they can speak out and no one will retaliate and worse they are claiming harassment years after the fact not when it happened and they were nothing.
     

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