Chaos in the Caribbean

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  1. papabear

    papabear Active Member

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    My country Australia, does not have any baltimore or chicago messes.

    But I am sure you know whats best for your people.
     
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  3. Xenamnes

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    The southern poverty law center is not a credible source to be citing.
     
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    "So the Oath Keepers, America's Hezbollah, are up your alley huh"

    I don't see anything about the SPLC there. So please do keep supporting America's Hezbollah, it's your kind of thing.
     
  5. 6Gunner

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    SPLC is an extremist organization that characterizes anyone to the right of Karl Marx as a terrorist.

    "Oath Keepers, America's Hezbollah"? Interesting that you would slander an organization of military veterans, law enforcement, and first responders who base their organization solely on upholding their oaths to the Constitution. Very telling, that...
     
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    I'm not at all surprised that you'd support militias, open carry white nationalists, Hezbollah like organizations, and in the same breath insult those responsible for killing 1000s of our enemy, read Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal.
     
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    Yes, your country does not even allow for the most basic civil and human right of citizens to have proper armed self defense for themselves and their property.

    http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/5022/self-defence-law-in-australia.aspx

    Even the ancient Aboriginals had superior laws in such matters.
     
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    Mocking but not refuting.
    Even simpletons know how to mock
     
  9. squidward

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    Then we don't need gun control.
    So nice of you to kill your own argument. Must be that extra large brain
     
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    See my other posts refuting.

    If you are looking for a simpleton then you wont have to look very far, if you actually think the difference between responses to a natural disaster between the caribbean and the americas is the differing gun control laws.

    In fact I think simpleton is to kind a word, for someone who actually believes and tries to sell that argument.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course we support militias.

    Militias are responsible for the formation of our country.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The SPLC had Ben Carson listed as an "extremist" lol.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well that's because you don't let anyone in, the ones who sneak in are either pushed back out to sea, or sent to Christmas Island Gulag.

    The ones who were originally there are taken, dumped into camps, and have their rights taken away.

    You guys have it pretty well controlled.
     
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    In my opinion the reason we dont have the same sort of messy neighborhoods isnt due to gun control nor immigration, though obviously these things do play a role.

    It is more due to education and opportunity for wealth, most people in australia can see easier ways at living then crime, whether that be through education/work or welfare, then perhaps what those see in chicago and baltimore.
     
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    Anerica has welfare, lots of work, oportunities for education, grants and scholarships, problem is those folks selling illegal drugs do not want to work at Burger King or Wal*mart etc..... Because crime yeilds a bigger payoff.....

    These criminals are not interested in legitimate opportunities.

    The criminals often state these views to the media.
     
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    I dont think americas welfare is in anywhere near as "generous" as Australia's.

    It is often easier to sit back on welfare then risk being a criminal.

    Also, whilst I am sure America has lots of work and opportunities for education, grants and scholarships I am not sure that those opportunities cut across as large a portion of society was what they may do here.

    Minimum wage jobs is a good point, and that is a bit different here, its currently about $18 an hour with most of those jobs being casual positions (ie not full time o no leave entitlements) getting a kicker to bring them well over $20 per hour. With the income tax free limit of $18200 per year as well you pretty much arent paying any tax on it depending on how much you work.

    America on the other hand, I can comment on the tax code but from all reports your minimum wage in a lot of states is embarassing and you cant blame people for not wanting to work for such little reward when there are easier ways.
     
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    The Drug dealers and runners buy Luxury cars and live a lifestyle that even high wage earners are not living.

    Paying people high welfare to not engage in criminal activity is not a sustainable solution here in America.
     
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    I hear you.

    I was just pointing out why things are how they are here and why they are different. How you guys clean up your own mess, is obviously up to you.
     
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    Here in America, high grades in school are a guarantee of a full paid Scholarship and Ivy league University education.
    Many people are just not willing to study or perhaps lack sufficient mental ability, low I.Q. a life of crime is an easy road for them.
     
  20. Xenamnes

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    There is also the lack of motivation to invest time and funding in higher levels of education, when there is a lack of higher level employment to actually make use of said education. If the best jobs available to someone are only minimum wage, where is the motivation to attend college in the first place?
     
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    Even a Paralegal gets paid a good salary without much investment in college.
    Here in Oregon a simple care giver / home attendant gets more than minimum wage with almost no schooling required.

    There are many legal ways to earn a living.

    Criminals want easy money selling crack and meth.
    They do not want to go to school or perhaps are not literate enough to go, low grades etc...
     
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    Which raises a reasonable question. If they are illiterate, how do they know how to read and operate a precision scale for dispensing their product in specifically measured quantities?
     
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    An illegal alien said;
    Americans really do not like to work.

    Given the lack of oportunity to be here legally, aliens still do better than those born here with legal standing.

    I agree, I observe people all the time, Americans with oportunites to excell are plain lazy and want to be spoon fed.
     
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    Damn Who that last comment about the criminals was about as spot on as you can get.
     
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    There is plenty of legal work to be found in the united states if one knows where to look. That was never in dispute. The question pertained to motivation to invest time and funding in a high level education, when the only available employment requires less in the way of higher education, and more in physical skill. Is there reason to gain a college education and degree, if the only available employment opportunities do not require such?
     

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