This is intriguing because I have read that the words in Hebrew translated Red Sea...... where Israel crossed out of Egypt.... would literally mean Sea of Reeds but............ why does there seem to be chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea????? Could the actual Exodus have taken place at the Red Sea rather than at the Sea of Reeds? I am wide open to that possibility myself.
None of the above. Why should there not be chariot wheels littering a region where they were once common?
Sea of Reeds fan here. 2 Answers 1) Those chariot wheels may have been on their way to a chariot assembly point while different parts of the chariot were constructed in different places, resources permitting. 2) Or someone is trying to perpetuate a hoax. Moi Yes, Virginia, there was an exodus out of Egypt. r > g Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
It's unlikely they would have shipped those chariot wheels across the Red Sea. In ancient times there was not the trade routes that developed later. It's possible the chariot wheels were being shipped between Egypt and India but very unlikely, since there wasn't much contact between these two distant regions at that time. The other plausible explanation would be the wheels being shipped from Egypt to the Arab peninsula, also unlikely because there was not a very established society on the Arab peninsula at that time with nobility who could have afforded such a luxury (one of the discovered wheels appeared to be plated with gold), and furthermore most trade routes went over land.
Unless someone in the past 80 years (since we've had the ability) went down there and retrieved them, wouldn't you expect there to be dozens?
I doubt bones would have survived the time period that is supposedly involved. I would also think the chances of wood surviving such a long time period, would be slim to none. Surely only metal, bronze would have a chance of still being there. This was prior to iron. But with that said, I do not believe the crossing the red sea with the help of Yahweh, happened in the way it is portrayed in Exodus. The jews may have left egypt having been enslaved at one time, but I think stories such as there were exaggerated for various reasons. Is there a sumerian equivalent to this story of an exodus from some nation by a group of people?
They were wheels being shipped for final assembly. Not to be confused with the Exodus or a battle necessarily. Just a shipment of chariot wheels lost at sea. Any evidence to the contrary?
Trading ships get sunk or their cargo gets washed overboard even now. The Exodus itself is a myth. The multitude supposedly roamed the Sinai peninsula for forty years, yet there's no evidence of massive campfires, bones, detritus, manna-wrappers, nothing to suggest that a multitude, who were never recorded as having left Egypt (by the very people who might have noticed an acute lack of slaves!) of having passed that way.
Who knows what it means? Numerous possibilities which the Exodus is but one. I think the parting of the sea and the Exodus was in the sea of Reeds and not the Red Sea. But again, either is possible. But I would place the odds or probability on being the sea of reeds. My belief anyway. Then too it may depend on what the sea level was back during that time. The Red Sea could have been much higher or lower. There was also a recent documentary on the Science channel which they claim to have located the four rivers which flowed into one which flowed into the Garden of Eden. If that documentary is correct, Eden lies at the bottom of the red sea. All of this is interesting, yet for the most part unverifiable. That is what make faith faith. True faith is hard to find these days. But my vote goes to the sea of reds when it comes to the Exodus. As for the wheels, I really don't know. I do know what I hate is closed minds. Like Mr. Spock said, "There is always possibilities." Now where those possibilities lies on the probability scale is another matter.
I saw a Nova documentary on Building Paroah's Chariot. The skilled craftsmanship required is unbelievable. iirc correctly there was no metal in the wheels at all. Why would wood last more than a thousand years? The main idea was to design in and use the give and spring in the wood for the smoothest possible ride to increase the accuracy of the archer or archers aboard. It was a very functional military piece, not a show piece -- although the end result is pleasing to the eye.
Now that would make a helluva lot of sense. For it is reasonable, unlike the story of Moses and the exodus. The wandering in the desert for 40 years, along with the manna from heaven is an interesting fairy tale, and has all of the elements of an oral story told around tribal campfires at night for entertainment as well as to keep the story alive and passed on. One would think that any such stories would have to be entertaining so they would not be scrapped at some point for not being interesting or exciting enough to still entertain.
The "manna from heaven" was netted song birds overwintering from, Europe, filled with their stores of winter fat, which today's soulless Arabs like to eat with rice. 40 could be a symbolic number, as it is also mentioned as the period of time in days that Christ fought the devil in the wilderness.
Hardly how the OT describes it. They only had a given time limit in which to gather it, as it would spoil after a particular period of time. But I understand too how a magical quality could have been introduced. I have little doubt the number 40 was symbolic and it was perhaps not taken literally in those ancient times. Numbers had symbolic meaning, many times to these people. 12 seems to reoccur too and has symbolism to the jews and christians.
Thank you. But, I believe there was an Exodus of Hebrews from Egypt. These chariot wheels are not related. Just a shipment of chariot wheels that did not make it to their destination. I do not know of any more ancient Exodus story similar to more ancient flood stories. The Exodus is a Hebrew original. Moi r > g
Any trapped meat will spoil. There is of course a whole field of study concerned with number symbolism called numerology, which can probably be considered one of the origins of modern mathematics, even as alchemy is considered the progenitor of both modern chemistry and psychiatry.
When they drain canals in Europe as they do to clean them up, they find lots of old bicycles. What, or what does it mean???
This is just stupidity on your part. Bedouins have roamed that area for thousands of years. Of course there wouldn't be much evidence of transient campsites after 3000 years. Also I'm sure there may be bones strewn all throughout the desert buried under the sand. No way to tell if any of them were Israelites. (I think the DNA starts degrading after that long if the body isn't protected somehow, not that they even know what DNA markers to look for) You think the Isrealites would have all come together and built a huge bonfire? What would make you think that? You're just trying to think up with any excuse you can to justify that this couldn't have happened.
More stupidity from you too. You know a bicycle in a canal is not the same thing as chariot wheels in the Red Sea. If I really have to explain it to you... easy to throw an old bicycle over the side of a canal. It's a different thing to load bronze chariot wheels (very expensive in those days) onto a ship and have them be lost at sea. Something else I will point out here, it appears that at least one of those wheel sets are already assembled. Probably the outside of the axle became encrusted with coral and then later the wood inside rotted away, maintaining its shape. Not really a practical way to transport wheels and axles already assembled together. It would be very awkward and require two men to move them (unless it was rolled on the ground). But if a chariot had been drowned in the water then it would make sense.
Yet the description of manna does not appear to be bird protein. How do you get around this? And who came up with this idea of a migratory european bird? I have not read this biblical account for years, but it seems that I recall the description of manna could never be confused with birds falling from the sky and the hebrews eating birds. I guess in order to take the magic out of it, or what would appear to be magic, a more worldly explanation must be found, and of course this idea of birds supplying the protein would certainly work! Yes, a trapped and dead animal will spoil. But the nets used for trapping does not kill the birds and many would be alive when harvested. We recently discovered something we did not know. Deer will sometimes eat birds caught in net traps, and happened fairly recently. There were videos taken of this happening, if I remember correctly.
Fell from a ship during a storm. Besides. If that chariot wheel dropped +2000 years ago to the sea bed, and it still standing up without sunk under hardly any debris like not even 1 feet of dead plankton,... like HOW?
