Chilean presidential candidate calls Israel ‘a threat to world peace’

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  1. Blinda Vaganto

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    It was a friendly fire which also happens in a war.
     
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    Rocks are met with rubber bullets and tear gas. And I think that you understand it very well.
     
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    You're only further displaying your lack of awareness concerning regional dynamics.
    Israel has repeatedly attacked all of its neighbors without provocation.

    Israel is currently planning for another S. Lebanon invasion in a repeated attempt to grab the Litani River basin (see I.C. E. Case #14



    Begin's Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars”

    http://www.washingtonreport.me/1994...82-that-israel-started-three-of-its-wars.html
     
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    I dont blame anyone. I said i dont trust them, which is a reasonable thing. Our security doesnt trust them either.
     
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    Meanwhile, at its height, only 10% of the German population were members of the National Socialist Party but countless $ Billions have been extracted from all Germans with no end insight(1)

    Additionally, it was the Germans who "...made the deserts bloom" because Germany built virtually all if Israel's initial infrastructure including steel mills, water treatment facilities, 3 electric power plants with grid work, an entire railway system with trains to go on it, hospitals, schools, 60 ships and the weaponry that allowed Israel to win the wars of 1967 & 1973.


    “The Reparations Agreement of 1952 and the response in Israel”
    http://web.nli.org.il/sites/NLI/Engl...Agreement.aspx
    EXCERPT “As part of the reparations, many goods reached Israel which helped the state economy to stabilize over the years. For example, Israel received new-fangled German-manufactured trains, which were operated for a number of years by the Israel Railways”CONTINUED


    “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/
    EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.
    In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED

    “German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation”
    http://www.bits.de/public/articles/cast06-02.htm
    EXCERPT “Israel profited from cooperation by having a reliable and quick source for spare parts and complete weapon systems – even in times of war, when other nations like the United States, Great Britain and France were more restrictive in supplying arms to Israel. Another advantage was the willingness of the German government to pay for these exports to Israel."CONTINUED


    (1) "Children of Holocaust survivors want German government to pay for psychiatric care"

     
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    First, "rubber bullets" are just as lethal as regular ammunition out to 50 meters because it has the same steel core with a plastic (not rubber) coating. Secondly, IDF frequently deploys gas in enclosed areas such as school rooms & hospitals.
    Finally, IDF also uses everything in its arsenal against Palestine's native residents from illegal phosphorus, to D.U., N.D.U., D.I.M.E. bombs(1) that decapitate & dismember.

    It is a tragic irony that the gratuitous use by IDF of D.U. ordinance produces radioactive dust responsible for not only Palestinian birth malformations but some of the birth malformations currently found in the nearby, illegal Settlements





    "A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIME WEAPONS ISRAEL IS USING ON GAZA”

    https://cintayati.wordpress.com/201...out-the-dime-weapons-israel-is-using-on-gaza/

    EXCERPT "How does “micro-shrapnel” work? Israel’s new weapon “slices” off its victims’ legs, leaving “signs of heat and burns near the point of the amputation”. It’s “as if a saw was used to cut through the bone”, according to Dr. Habas al-Wahid, head of the ER at Gaza’s Shuhada al-Aqsa hospital. [5]

    Medical professionals that have seen the injuries of civilians being treated in the vastly overwhelmed hospitals in Gaza are reporting injuries remarkably similar as their previous experience in Israel’s previous genocidal war n 2009, the infamous “Cast Lead.”CONTINUED
     
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    First you say this

    and right after that you give a link on site which says that Germany agreed to pay Israel 3.5 billion marks over the course of 12 years. With a photo of agreement as a proof. Not so countless after all.

    In my opinion paying those reparations helped Germany more than recieving them helped nations who received them. But probably as a person without conscience you will not understand it.
     
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    Because of the enormous amount of money, no one knows exactly how much money Germany has paid out in reparations but a generally accepted figure is around $90 Billion plus virtually all of Israel's initial infrastructure.

    At any rate, much of the money intended for needy holocaust survivors has disappeared into the coffers if the fraudulent & insatiable Holocaust Industry(1)

    Whatever Germany agreed to pay in the document I posted is meaningless as there have been & remain demands for more & more money.

    Meanwhile, the survivors of Jewish butcher, Genrikh Yagoda (10 million murdered) move on wither lives.

    Obviously, Germany has benefited from paying reparations as it is currently the most popular country in the world according to a BBC poll(2)

    Think how much Israel could benefit from paying Nakba reparations?



    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298
    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED



    (2) “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bb...tions-1.525890

    EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED
     
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    The Palestinians want their homes back. The Israels are stealing them. So where is your point? The NAZIS stole homes, land, and belongings from the Jews and gave it all to non-Jews. Israel is now stealing homes, land and possessions from Arabs and giving it to Jews. Israel is a NAZI state.
     
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    Israel does none of those things. And speaking about Nazi state. Have you seen a list of bestselling books in the West Bank and Gaza? I bet you didn't because they don't publish it after 1999 when Mein Kampf has made it to the sixth place.
     
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    You mean gullibility of those who support you:


    "WHAT DO ISRAELIS THINK ABOUT AMERICANS? START WITH DISDAIN"

    http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/

    EXCERPT " Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    But it’s not just American tourists whom many Israelis see as guileless. American foreign policy is held up to similar scrutiny here, even as Israel receives billions of dollars in foreign aid from the United States each year.

    The naivete Israelis perceive in Americans is not just something they believe only Israel’s adversaries exploit; Israelis believe they can do so, too — and do. In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.

    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction. CONTINUED


    Meanwhile, poor, dumb, old Americans are starting to wake up:


    "Poll shows growing support among Americans for sanctions against Israel"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-...among-americans-for-sanctions-against-israel/


    EXCERPT "Brookings Institution survey shows 46% back punitive measures, up 9% from last year, while plurality of those surveyed say Obama should pressure Israel at UN

    According to twin surveys conducted by the think tank’s Shibley Telhami before and after the November 8 presidential elections, support for punitive measures against Israel has increased among members of both major parties: 60% of Democrats and 31% of Republicans back economic sanctions and more serious action, compared to 49% and 26% in November 2015"CONTINUED
     
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    Such a simpleton's view on things... here, lemmi try:

    Palestinians build terror tunnels; Palestinians stab, shoot and run Israeli men, women and children on the streets and in their own beds; Palestinians shop in stores named "Hitler" and "Hitler II"

    Bad, bad Palestinians :hiding:
     
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    Ata boy! :applause:
     
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    Yeah, they certainly are, and so is america.

    • Israeli arms sales to Europe grew from $724M in 2014 to $1.63B in 2015
    • Although the size of New Jersey Israel is one of the top 10 arms dealing nations in the world
    • Israel produces 60% of all drones worldwide and sells to over 50 countries, at times selling to both sides of a given conflict, and Israel fueled the drones arms race between India and Pakistan
    Palestine is an open air weapons testing and crowd control laboratory with Palestinians being used in the development phase; Gaza is a lab of mass destruction. US super bunker busters were supplied to the Israelis in 2014 and investors stock shot up; war is just business after all.

    The “War in Terror” has been a boon to the industry, you’ve seen what amounts to advertisement in every “news” outlet, we are being whipped up into a frenzy once again. The industry also pioneers crowd control research on the Palestinians, and Israel is involved in the training of American forces and law enforcement. We see this in the militarization of our own police departments, Ferguson was but one example of how our system is prepping to Palestinianize our own population, and in fact Ferguson now has Israeli developed/sold skunk spray post the Ferguson events, although no incidents have yet been reported of use on American streets. It’s pretty clear that the Israeli occupation style power structure is moving toward the same in America; a warehousing of the poor in a post industrial age with diminishing living wage jobs and privatized for profit prisons complete with a return to convict leasing.

    Much of the security monitoring and mass surveillance technologies are also produced in Israel and sold across the globe. “Targeted assassination” was invented in Israel, which Obama was quite fond of. Abu Ghraib torture methods? Israel.

    The US and Israel are not allies. The US and Israeli arms dealers are allies, and war is the business they are both in. We are all collateral damage.
     
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    Does this clown have any proof that Israeli companies sell to anybody fake dead sea cosmetics? No? Then he should shut his mouth up. I live in Israel and most of the people here have a good generalised opinion of Americans. If any. Actually it's always better to judge every person on individual base for his own words and actions.
     
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    RE:
    I agree & while your views are admirable, Netanyahu is not the only Israeli politician or israeli lobbyist to boast of Israeli control over America.

    I intended to go to Israel while I was in the region to see for myself but got caught up in the 1973 War instead.

    I am not anti Israel however, I am strongly opposed to the peace busting, illegal Settlements policy and ethnic cleansing societal trend(1) fomented by Israel's current Right Wing extremists who are comprise what Pardo considers Israel's greatest threat over Iran(2).

    Additionally, I don't think that unconditional aid to Israel from America is in the long term best interest of either country.
    It engenders anti American sentiment in the Muslim world, feeds anti Israeli sentiment in the US, & gives the Netanyahu regime no incentive to cease settlement building or to forge a just & durable Peace with the Palestinians.

    Israel is a wealthy country with much to offer but will only face increased BDS, alienation & continued pariah status until it takes serious steps to resolve the Palestinian conflict.



    (1)“Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/almost-half-of-israeli-jews-want-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html

    EXCERPT “Almost half of Jewish Israelis believe Arabs should be "expelled or transferred" from Israel, a survey has found.
    A study carried out by the Pew Research Centre found that around one in five adults questioned “strongly agreed” with the controversial statement, which amounts to ethnic cleansing under some definitions.

    The Encyclopaedia Britannica describes the act as “attempting to create ethnically homogeneous geographic areas through the deportation or forcible displacement of persons belonging to particular ethnic group”, while a United Nations report in 1993 additionally specified the use of “force or intimidation”.CONTINUED


    (2) "EX MOSSAD CHIEF: ISRAEL'S BIGGEST THREAT IS POTENTIAL CIVIL WAR, NOT IRAN"
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...threat-is-potential-civil-war-not-Iran-466415

    EXCERPT "The most pressing threat to Israel is not Iran, but rather the increased polarization within Israeli society, former Mossad chief Tamir Pardo said in his first public appearance since leaving office in June.

    “There is no outside existential threat to Israel, the only real existential threat is internal division,” Pardo said at an annual event to honor fallen Druse soldiers in the North.

    In response to reporter’s questions, Pardo also addressed the Palestinian issue, saying that without a diplomatic solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict “we will never be able to achieve normalization with our Arab neighbors.”CONTINUED
     
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    Well most of your "products" are on boycott in Germany anyways. Be it fake cosmetics, that soda stream stuff as well as other stuff produced on stolen land
     
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    US Congress advances bill to punish PA for funding terrorists

    The House Foreign Affairs Committee passed the ‘Taylor Force Act’ that cuts all funding to the Palestinian Authority until it stops financially rewarding terrorists.

    The House Foreign Affairs Committee on Wednesday unanimously voted in favor of the Taylor Force Act which requires the US to cut all funding to the Palestinian Authority (PA) until it ceases financial rewards for terrorism.

    The Taylor Force Act would require the US Secretary of State to verify that the PA has ended its policy of paying off terrorists and their surviving family members. The bill also calls on the PA to publicly condemn terror attacks and to take steps to bring the perpetrators to justice.

    https://worldisraelnews.com/us-cong...nces+Bill+to+Punish+PA+for+Funding+Terrorists

    I think US does not know what they’re doing. They should take all the money they give to Israel and instead give them to Palestinians, right?




     
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    That’s quite all right.

    Germany is one of the best friends Israel has. Not many know that Germany is Israel’s largest trading partner in Europe (and its third-largest overall, after the United States and China); in 2013 Israel imported $4.6 billion in German goods ranging from chemicals to optical measuring instruments. That relationship extends to scientific exchange; security and counterterrorism cooperation; and weaponry. Germany is a major supplier and funder of Israeli arms, notably the Dolphin-class submarines that can be outfitted to carry nuclear missiles, considered the linchpin of Israel’s “second-strike” strategy in case of an attack by Iran. Since 1991, Germany has built and delivered five Dolphins worth $2.65 billion to Israel, subsidizing up to 50 percent of the costs. A sixth is on order, with Germany covering a third of the price tag
     
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    Doesnt change the fact that products produced in illegal settelements are banned.
     
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    Does not change the fact that trend is reversing, especially in the United States. And does not change the fact that misplaced love for Palestinians is costing them jobs.
     
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    You are being dishonest. We are finished here.
     
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    Bravo, Germany!
     

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