China’s Xi threatens Taiwan with force...

https://www.france24.com/en/2019010...aiwan-reunification-inevitable-military-force

In my opinion, China, in accordance with international law in its right. Well, this is if you know the history of Taiwan, at least at the level of Wikipedia.
In October 1971, the 26th session of the UN General Assembly adopted a resolution recognizing the People's Republic of China and restoring the place and all the legitimate rights of the People’s Republic of China to the UN. By today, the states that have established diplomatic relations with China will certainly recognize that There is only one China in the world, and Taiwan is part of it.

It even if we forget about the ways in which modern Taiwan was created. 38 years of martial law and the official term "White Terror" - TWO GENERATIONS cut dissidents with the full support of the United States. Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt in compared with Chiang Kai-shek - the angels.
But for the USA he is “his scum”.

And about the money
The cost of the stolen treasure as of September 2011, taking into account the gold coating is about 1. 357. 142. 857.140 US dollars. Only the percentage debt for these treasures currently exceeds one trillion dollars.
The United States does not own these treasures. The return of the stolen property of China is possible only through its association with Taiwan!

 

Actually Xi said he will strive with peaceful means, but doesn't exclude force. It's only natural, every nation wants to unite it's people.

 

Peaceful means, like Russia?

I really dont think Taiwan, as in the people living there, wants to be part of China. Under typical communism suppression with additional surveillance. Bonus, they get social score, lol

Why cant they co exist like now? Like Germany and Austria. Do you support empires?

Also, i believe less centralization of power is always good.

As expected, China is becoming military aggressive, that comes with centralization of power, like Xi the forever president, and your dear Putin.

 

they don't want to get bomb drop on them either. most taiwaness prefer status quo, no independence and no unification, about 10% want unification, about another 10% want independence. but recent election in area where pro-independence party hold the power just lost to KMT party, which prefer better ties with china. the pro-independent lost because the citizens in the area need china economy to boost their own, bad relation with china means staggered economy, so I guess they vote base on their wallet. like ppl said, its the economy economy economy.

 

The "White Terror"? Let's not forget about Mao's reign of terror which killed 65,000,000. From what I could find, most of Taiwan's treasure was stolen by the Japanese and the Chinese. I find no mention of the U S. stealing anything from Taiwan. I doubt that a country who seemed to be in internal conflict had a $1.3 trillion in "treasures". There is lots of info though about China stealing trillions worth of trade secrets. You do know the "White Terror" was terror inflicted by Taiwan itself, not by white men or the US. You almost seem to be implying that the White Terror was a U.S. thing. Chiang Kai-shek was far from being an angel.
It is laughable that everything that goes, or went wrong, in disabled countries like Taiwan was for so many years is always the white man's or the west's fault. Take a little responsibility for your own dysfunction.

 

It really has to do with the economy. If the people feel they will be better off with China, then they should have the right to choose. China though can always do what it did with Hong Kong and make some allowances for them. No matter, the US will fight it with propaganda tooth and nail.

As for military aggression because of centralization, does that explain Washington's actions towards Yugoslavia, Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc., etc. You know at one time we were gung ho on democracy around the world since democracies do not start wars - believe it or not.

Just to let you know, Russia is not the one who bombed and killed Georgian peacekeepers in S. Ossettia, nor the one who had a coup in Ukraine to overthrow the legitimately elected president. Nor is Russia the one supporting Nazis in Ukraine or terrorists in Syria.

 

And here I thought everything was Russia's fault?

 

As China's economy decline they will push harder for Taiwan to be reunited with China. Taiwan, although heavily dependent on China has a dynamic economy and like Hong Kong would be the perfect move to weather China's economic storm. I can see the US and Taiwan objecting, I believe a Chinese Admiral has already threatened to destroy two US Super Carriers. We will see how this plays out.

 

This has been going on since Formosa was Formosa.

They're two separate countries, and will remain so.

 

This is true. But politicians always say that. For example, the United States also said that they prefer a peaceful solution to problems, for example, in Iraq, Syria, Somalia ... and so on. But in reality everything is decided. I think the CCP has already decided that it is time to return to Taiwan. And this is a direct blow to American interests in Asia.
And here you can build a logical chain. The Chinese are very careful about politics and war. And if they decided to openly challenge the United States on the issue of Taiwan, it means they feel the power behind them. And they feel the weakness of the United States.

Previously, many on the forum arrogantly stated that everyone had run away from Russia and all had entered into an alliance with the United States. I have repeatedly said to such arrogant people - small countries are like prostitutes. They always betray those who have difficulties. The United States will fully feel what a prostitute-country is. For example, I am sure that in the coming years, Eastern Europe will begin to remember about friendship with Russia and say that they have always loved the Russians, but their policies are rascals .... and the people are only for Russians...

Now the United States will begin to experience what treachery is. For example, in the EU, anti-American sentiment is strong now. Eastern Europe is increasingly turning to Moscow. Look for example at the Bulgarians, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks .... Germans finally. And only countries with great iodine deficiency continue to conduct anti-Russian policy. And that's because iodine deficiency is at fault.

 

Read carefully again.

What you do not understand?

The United States supported Chiang Kai-shek? Supported. Just like the USA supported Samosa, Duvalier, ... Hitler at last.. What's wrong?
Or are you also, as yesterday one commentator called for forgetting all the crimes of Western countries that were before? Forgetting how Standard Oil supplied gas for Hitler, Ford repaired and supplied cars for Hitler, Intel helped in providing technical support for Nazi concentration camps, and so on. Do you also propose to forget it?

 

Everyone knows that Russians are to blame for all troubles. Earthquakes, floods, Chiang Kai-shek ...- Putin is personally to blame. Everything in the world happens at the behest of Putin.. Putin is god for US politicians and the media.

 

100%. China is developing and becoming stronger, the United States is losing strength and influence. In this case, the US power in the hands of idiots for a very long time. Instead of developing partnerships with Russia, the United States imposes sanctions and thereby pushes Russia toward rapprochement with China. Honestly, I do not understand what the benefits of this could be for the United States.

 

A master-slave type of relationship is desirable by China not Taiwai. Threatening economic or military welfare does not swing the election towards China's favor. That they can vote, says it all. Will they vote to have none in the future?

I predict much of China s prosperity will stagnate in the near future, much in part of their foreign policy. Internally, the progressive communist human experiments will backfire.

None said or implied that.

Small nations, like big ones, follow their interest. None is a prostitute if they are in agreement. Taiwai and China is not agreeing, but Taiwai and USA does. Two of the three want independence and none of the three is a prostitute.

That specific sentence is simply not true, makes me think of you that you are either a fraud or ignorant.
Anti american sentiment is stronger not strong, and light years ahead of that of Russia and China in Europe, or elsewhere. I always suggested you should travel outside Russia, it will be like a rebirth for you.

The benefit of maintaining the hegemony. Hypothetically, do you think Americans give a fck if Russia and China are allied, while the rest of the world is friendly and 'economic open' to them? Its a better deal for the US, from where I am standing.

I like you.

 

But China doesnt abide by international law (Sprately and other islands). Cant have it both ways without hypocrisy

 

Would you like to see a comparison of trade with Hitler comparing the US with the USSR? Could Hitler have even defeated France without Soviet resources? BTW, have you guys left the Kuril islands yet?

 

You write some nonsense about "the rest of the world is friendly to the United States." Try to visit the Middle East. You quickly get confused about friendship to the United States. Or visit Latin America and tell the locals how they love gringos.

 

You are an interesting person. In your opinion, no one except the United States and Australia respects international law. Tell it to the Serbs, the Iraqis, the Avgans ... tell the rest of the world about it. I think that Aborigines will be listening with special interest in international law.

 

I do not live on the Kuril Islands. This is a part of Russia, the same as Kaliningrad, Crimea, Sakhalin and the rest of Russia. Unfortunately, the Russian territories of the Baltic states, Alaska, California and New York are now temporarily not controlled by the Russians. The key word here is "temporarily". Because Russia is the freest and most peaceful country in the world, the Russians are not in a hurry for events. Soon everything will happen naturally.

 

except the election did sway in china favors. there are plenty news on that, how the pro-indep party lost big in recent mid term election. ppl predict china collapse for over 2 decades, don't hold your breath.

 

and your answer to my statement about China "doesn't respect international law" is???

 

Russia will fall apart naturally. Like decomposing piece of turd.

 

I recognize the typical commentator born in Ukraine.

Ukrainians are waiting for Russia to fall apart

 

Happened multiple times in 20th century - russia lost Finland and Poland, along with territories lost in WWI. It did recapture some by force during WWII but just 27 years ago it lost them all and then some. Russia was losing territories for quite some time now. Read a book!

 

There is a time to throw stones, there is a time to collect stones. Now is the time to collect. For example, it is obvious that soon Ukraine will disappear as a state and the rest will become part of Russia. also the Baltic and Alaska. And many other territories.
One more example. Lukashenko and Putin are negotiating the creation of a single state. It is a fact. Although I have to admit, I personally think that first a conflict similar to the Ukrainian will occur in Belarus. Also, Kazakhstan, I think that after the death of Nazarbayev await shocks. And this is the right time for Russia to increase its territory. We are waiting for interesting events on the repartition of the world.