China bans Muslim baby names... beards... burkhas

That we do. One does not normally just wake up in the morning and decide to strap a bomb to one's body and blow oneself up.

It has been shown however that those under the influence of sophisticated mind control techniques ( those use in Cults for example) are far more willing to do this.

Telling a child that if they "question" or "do not believe" tenets in some holy book, that they they will suffer the worst punishment the mind can imagine - not just torture for a few days but, torture in the most horrible ways the mind can imagine for eternity - is a sophisticated mind control technique that has evolved and been honed over the millennia in efforts to control the raging masses.

For those that ingest this ideology the "fear factor" - fear of eternal torture- gets lodged deep in their subconscious. The adherent is often not aware of the effects of this ideology on their conscious actions. When encountering ideas that conflict with dogma the fear is triggered and the adherent will try to avoid or suppress the "bad thought". Thoughts that could lead them to eternal punishment. Various mechanisms kick in such as abject denial or demonization of the messenger.

This level of indoctrination is present in most religious ideology (Islam, Christianity, Hindoo and so on). While this is the first step towards killing yourself in the name of God. There are many more steps required to get the adherent to take such action.

Step 2: The cult leader will make a subtle change to ideology. Belief in tenets of some holy book becomes ... belief in some human's interpretation of said holy book. The Cult leader is then effectively "speaking for God" such that going against any cult doctrine may lead one down the dark path to Hades. We see this happen all the time in established religion. (Speaking in tongues, Pope and Imam ether claimed in the past or present Pontifex Maximus). Note however that many Church leaders do not do this .. so we are separating "Religion from Cult".

Step 3: (Ramping up the fear factor and demonization of the other). The cult leader then creates a "Black vs White", "Good vs Evil", "God vs Devil paradigm.

Cult doctrine is "Good", anything that conflicts with cult doctrine is "Evil". Satan is around every corner trying to trick you. Those that conflict with cult doctrine are "under the influence of Satan". There is a war going on between the principalities and you must choose a side. You are either "with us or against us" and there is no middle ground. Your eternal soul is at stake.

Step 4: (further ramp up the fear factor and create an immediate need to act to obtain some reward). God is going to destroy the earth. He is going to send horrible destruction (a third of the earth will be destroyed by fire) there will be plagues and famine - and we are in the End Times

This terrible event is going to happen soon. Satan and his minions have taken over and God is ready to exact a terrible punishment on those who are not on the side of "Good". Those that are on the side of evil (anyone who does not follow cult doctrine) are doomed - in league with Satan and against God. God will punish those who are against him but reward those who fight against this evil. Your earthly existence is nothing compared to the importance of your immortal soul.

The Rapture - there a Chosen few (those that follow cult doctrine to the letter) that will plucked away and will not have to suffer through this terrible time.

Those who die fighting against this evil will be greatly rewarded. The infidels right now are fighting this war against us. They bomb our cities and kill our wives, husbands and children. ... and so on.

Killing oneself in the name of God is now justified.

I left out "thought stopping techniques" - certain techniques adherents are taught (without knowing what these techniques are for) to counter information that conflicts with cult doctrine. That is a page unto itself.

The above is a basic summary that can serve to identify the basic features of a dangerous ideology (or ideology that has the possibility of becoming dangerous).

 

No. They are clearly different. And if there's one thing China doesn't like, it's different. And if we're honest, there is an undeniable radical element that some Muslims adhere to. This is not to suggest in any way that all Muslims hold these radical beliefs. Howeverm that is how China is treating the entirety of its Muslim population with this new rule. Here in the West, we would be called racist for doing something like this. Do you believe China is acting in a racist manner?

 

The announcer on the TV saying what the score currently is after the football goal.

 

Very detailed and thought out. Very good explanation

 

Considering you can't be racist against a religious following, no. Bigoted, yes but from what I've heard bigotry isn't necessarily limited to just Muslims in China.

 

Interesting development by China.

What do us conservatives think about it? Well, there are bigger issues at stake than just "infringing on religious practices." Just ask France, Belgium, Germany or Sweden. Islam, unfortunately for those peaceful ones, has demonstrated a thousand times over that where there are young male "guests," there is anger, hatred, intolerance and the criminal activity. China can see for themselves how this has played out across the world stage. They are not interested in taking the risks the rest of us are. I guess I cannot blame them.

 

Muslims comes in all races, although most are Arabs if that classifies as a race. I think the U.S. classifies them as White.

But regardless, I have never been too interested in what China does. To their own people anyway. There's nothing I can do about it and if I can't do something about, I usually don't worry about it. Worrying gives one ulcers. As to why, maybe the Chinese government got word that some Muslims may do some terrorist acts. Or perhaps they just don't want any of their population to become Muslims. Who knows?

I doubt if many liberals will call them racist or many conservative complains about religious freedom when it comes to China. Maybe because what goes on within China doesn't affect us one bit, at least with the crackdown on Muslims. For it to have even a little effect on us, we have to see it live and on TV. As for me, I realize there are somethings we, the good old USA can influence and somethings we can't.

 

But I've heard repeatedly from the progressive side of the aisle that Mr. Trump's Muslim ban is motivated by racism, for example. Are you saying then that they are wrong? Those progressives?

 

I had a very close friend of mine get abducted into a Christian Cult. This was decades ago in my early to mid twenties. I spent a fair bit of time trying to figure out what happened. He is a very intelligent individual. You never know who is susceptible to sophisticated indoctrination techniques.

I spent much time trying to figure what happened. He had been living in another city for a time and then returned. He started acting strange - he would no longer go to bars because that is where Satan is (or some such justification). Then he refused to go to a close friend of ours wedding - because the person was agnostic and the wedding ceremony was not traditional.

Had I known then what I know now .. I would have taken a different tact but I would just argue with him using logic which just put me further into "the other" category.

He then went back to another city (the city of his indoctrination). I went to visit. He came to my hotel. I was sitting across from him debating some of his beliefs using the Bible thinking - If I can show how his beliefs are contradicted by the Bible perhaps I could get him to snap out of it.

I could tell I was backing him into a logical corner - "the Bible says this - your claim contradicts". All of a sudden his face went white...and his eyes glazed over going into something almost akin to a trance. The next think I knew he was on his knees at my knee grasping my hand saying " pray with me now .... pray with me now".

I was very sad - someone had stolen my friend. I did not know it at the time but this was a "thought stopping technique" that someone had implanted in him. He could not handle the conversation and his mind was working over time trying to avoid the "bad thought" ... a thought that could lead him to eternal torture.

I had another similar experience with a Hare Krishna adherent. There was a group of them out - doing what they do- an I engaged one in conversation. The conversation was very interesting an engaging - I was asking questions as if I was interested and he was responding as normal as could be - until the point where I backed the adherent into a logical corner.

The next think I knew the fellow was dancing around chanting "hare hari, Krishna Krishna, rama rama" and I am thinking WTF. One second we are having a normal conversation and the next he is dancing around like a lunatic.

I do the same thing to JW's and LDS when they come to the door. If I am not busy I invite them in for tea. I know what their beliefs are and I ask them questions that will lead into a logical trap. Everything goes really well until the trap part. These folks will not do the chanting/prayer thing but, they will often get mad but, sometimes not Sometimes they will leave and come back with an elder (someone more experienced). The elder then get's caught in the same logical corner and leaves shortly after. After this they will leave and not return (probably putting my name in the book of those in league with Satan or some such thing)

I have since studied cult mind control techniques. Scary stuff.

 

Again you can't be racist against Muslims, unless you're talking about just Arabs, but neither side is any better than the other.

Of course at this point race relations in China are not the same as relations in the U.S.

 

Sorry about your friend

 

they also want to jail the Dalai Lama if they could. In other words, they barely tolerate ANY religious activities and seek to control all....and this:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/28/asia/china-religious-persecution-christianity/

 

Funny...the teaching of the Dalai Lama is considered dangerous as well by the Chinese.

 

So, just so I'm clear- all the progressives who have called Mr. Trump's "Muslim ban" a "racist policy" are wrong. In your estimation.

 

I would disagree with the CPC on this (careful about generalizations to the entire Chinese populace).

Islam ? that is a different question.

 

The point I was making with my post, if that if you have been around Muslims for any real amount of time, you know that "Allahu Akbar" is about their second most favorite thing to say after "Inshallah". I have personally witnessed a Muslim scream out Allahu Akbar because their favorite football team scored a goal.

 

Islam isn't being singled out. China has suppressed Christianity. The odd thing is that so many in the West disbelieve that foreign countries crack down on religious minorities, or just don't care, when the minority is Christian. Suddenly it's believable and a major concern when the minority is Muslim.

 

I meant to say...the Chinese government......

 

I get that it is common but... it's kind of like "Deus Vult" - it's mostly used innocuously, but it's known for it's negative use.

 

China has never told Christians what they can and can't name their babies or what kind of beards they can grow. Nice try at moving the goalposts, however.

Also, I think you may have missed the point of this thread.

 

The CPC is the Chinese government.

 

I said, "Islam isn't being singled out. China has suppressed Christianity." That was in response to the suggestion by the OP that Islam was being singled out - also, it's apparent you're confused as to what "moving the goal posts" is. This should help illustrate it for you:

You obviously missed the point of my post so.....

 

No, it's still a pretty poor policy that's bigoted and won't stop homegrown terrorists from acting out.

 

When did "Deus Vult" ever have an innocuous use?

 

Sorry but you can't have it both ways - if it is not racist for China - as you just acknowledged - then it is not racist for the U.S. either.