China launches first locally designed and built aircraft carrier.

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  1. Dayton3

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    Bad news! Made in China. It didn't work and they had to return it to Walmart.
     
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    Roughly equivalent to US carriers? In what way and what about the sub-par Chinese aircraft they're supposed to be carrying? Give me a break! They'd be lucky not to bomb their home base by mistake.
     
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    What makes you think the most advanced Chinese aircraft are "sub par"?
     
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    Everything the Chinese make is sub par. Have you ever seen a Chinese product that wasn't inferior to a similar product not made in China? I will never forget one pair of wire strippers I bought on the run for a job one day. The damn things wouldn't even close! It was the craziest thing I've ever seen as a product defect. Their wire strippers couldn't possibly strip a wire by design, and it was here in stores in the US. Unbelievable!

    Just wait until their Three-Gorges Dam fails.
     
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    Simple, it is.

    Love this quote from that "article".

    Well, to start with, exactly what "weaponry" does a US carrier have?

    Well, to put it simply, none. There are no offensive weapon systems on US carriers other than the aircraft themselves. You would literally have to go all the way back to the Midway Class of WWII to find offensive weaponry on US carriers.

    Also, that ship is only believed to carry 40 aircraft when it is finished in another 1-2 years. To put that into perspective, US carriers carry from 75-90+ aircraft.

    And it is not even finished, it was only "launched".

    Then there is the problem of aircraft. Yes, China now claims to have 3 "carriers". But they only have 50 of the J-15 copies of the Su-33 carrier fighter. That is what, 15 fighters per ship with 5 for training? Of course, assuming they are all in operational condition.

    This reads more like a press release from the Chinese Government than an actual information article.

    As I have been saying for years, when it comes to the military and their equipment, "journalism" is dead. They vomit up Chinese talking points, and think they have told the world something.

    Also, notice it is conventionally powered. And as I have discussed before, the PLAN has little to no experience in UNREP. So they have a nice new carrier, to sit in the docks with the rest of the wharf queens that rarely ever put out to sea.

    Brought to you by the AP. The same organization that not long ago was calling BMPs "tanks".
     
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    I doubt they supply their military with the same shitty **** they sell to cheapskate Americans.
     
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    I don't know. They seem to have a culture that is not conducive to quality. It is a fundamentally dishonest culture and it shows.
     
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    'lol @ 'locally designed'; they've been stealing tech from the U.S. and Britain for decades. They didn't 'design' anything themselves.
     
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    Because their techs, engineers, and managers are incredibly arrogant and incapable of quality control. Asians in general are the same way, with a few exceptions, like Singapore, Malaysian Chinese, Hong Kong educated types and former English colonials.

    Koreans used to be the same way, but they steal from the Japanese and American methodologies the last two or three decades, and it has made a world of difference in their industrial management successes. They now can easily compete with any of the major European ship builders, for one example.
     
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    They just can't make up their minds what they want to produce. Hence, over 5 different Destroyers in a few decades.

    You have to realize, the majority of what the nation makes is actually designed and told to them from their foreign customers. They do not really "design" anything of what they make. Companies like Apple give them everything they need to make an "I-Phone", they just crank them out like a copying machine.

    But for their military, if they do not copy-steal from a Russian design, then it gets interesting. Feel free to look, almost all of their military hardware is either a copy of a Soviet design, or a close derivative of one. Almost everything, literally. Almost nothing is really "original". Not unlike most of the "things they make". They are given everything needed to make it, then make it on contract. Almost nothing actually "originates" from China.

    Tell me, what is the best selling Video Game Console that is entirely designed and made in China? Cell Phone? Computer? Printer? CPU? Anything?

    Simple answer, damned little. That is a huge difference between say China and Japan. Japan was able to take say the Transistor, and then design and create a radio that took it way beyond what the US could do. We were making 15 transistor radios, they figured out how to make 3 transistor radios. We were still making cassette decks the size of a hard cover book and headphones the size of earmuffs, they miniaturized them to barely larger than the cassette tape itself and headphones that barely covered the ear. They could take an "American design", and vastly improve upon it. Make it smaller, lighter, better. China, they only seem concerned with making it cheaper and nothing else.

    And not even "cheaper". A "portable cassette player" in around 1982 was around $50. A Walkman, that was around $200. But your "American Made" one from RCA might have a mono play head and a single earpiece. While the Japanese one would have a stereo head and stereo headphones (in addition to being more comfortable and smaller).

    That is the difference between an "originator" nation, and a "copy machine" nation. And China is still in the "copy machine" state. And I doubt they will leave that for decades (if ever).

    Look at almost everything their military uses. Tanks, fighters, bombers, ships, cargo aircraft, carriers, even civilian jets. Almost every single one came from a company in Russia, US, or UK-Commonwealth. Almost nothing they actually designed themselves.
     
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    The Dutch actually used to do excellent electronics designs, especially re consumer goods. Sony and Apple and even HP would either steal from the Dutch or license from them. Don't know is it is still true today, though. They had a huge patent pool subsidized by the state at one time.
     
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