Christian Evangelical Support of Israel, Practical Limitations

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  1. WillReadmore

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    Thank you!!

    I somewhat overlooked that, as it is presented as "God's plan" and tried to found it in distant history. I know of NO other case in recent history where this kind of historic and/or religious argument is made concerning the formation of a state. For example, we don't honor that when it comes to the Kurds, and they were our strong ally.

    Anyway:
    1: Does anyone think Palestinians would be convinced to dissolve their statehood and join an apartheid government that has been ethnically cleansing them for DECADES while running Gaza as an open air prison where citizens can not even export goods? Do those whose relatives have had their homes bulldozed say, "Oh yeah, let ME be ruled by Israel"??

    2. Israel staunchly opposes this and has done so in every US led negotiation.

    3. ?

    4. Again, this is an absolute and TOTAL nonstarter for Israel. They are an apartheid nation - just not quite as bad as SA was. They hold themselves to be a "Jewish State", and that isn't likely to remain possible when Arabs are nearing a majority.

    5. This is another absolute nonstarter. Right of return would mean an influx of Arabs who have well documented property rights in Israel. Israel doesn't have the funds to buy that much property and simply allowing them to be citizens would mean an earlier demise of their "Jewish State" status.

    6. Under the Bush "roadmap" this was one of the requirements Israel had to fulfill before entering negotiations. However, it was limited to a few settlements that Netanyahu agreed were illegal. Netanyahu tried to do this, and the result headed toward civil war. He begged off, considering it totally impossible. Since then, the position has hardened.

    7. 8. Nice hope. Peoples come together over time. Only the equality before the law and an end to violence parts can be legislated.

    9. We tried this in Iraq. It was incredibly difficult. Again, nice objective, though I don't know who would be championing this.

    10. The USA does not project our form of government as a template for new states. For example, we did not do that in Iraq. There are very good reasons for that, pertaining to the significant possibility of a president becoming a dictator by taking the steps that Trump took in overcoming the will of congress and defeating checks and balances.


    Anyway, this is just someone's dream. It ranges from absolutely and totally rejected to just highly unlikely. It identifies NOBODY interested in promoting this direction - as if a hated resolution would come about on its own.


    Let's remember that Palestine IS a state. Israel IS making war on the state of Palestine. That war has to stop. Palestine gets to be sovereign and rule Palestine.

    Palestinians are humans. They are going to continue their defense. The one astounding part of that is that Abbas has worked with the IDF against terrorism perpetrated by Palestinians and has demanded that the way forward can be by negotiation alone.

    Even so, Israel absolutely refuses to negotiate on ANY of the above issues. And, how bad is that? Well, Israel demanded that the negotiations on borders under the Bush administration had to take place WHILE ISRAEL WAS ETHNICALLY CLEANSING a new region of West Bank thereby extending its borders!!!
     
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    Except that it really really isn't what America stands for when it comes to other countries, and it never has been. It is the lie the politicians try to sell you but it has never been the truth.
     
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    Well, there is certainly truth to that.

    And, we have no way to plead ignorance given our founding documents.
     
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    I am of the belief that creating two hundred million acting job somewhere "east" of Jerusalem.......
    could save the economy of China from collapse just in case they end up paying more reparations
    to American and the rest of the world than was done by the Weimar Republic of Germany?????


    "And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them." (Revelation 9:16)


    Artistic Hollywood style "Armageddon" could bring world out of recession?!


    My theory is the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight.....
    could potentially transfer a significant percentage of "Hollywood" to the nation of Israel......

    and.... the restoration of the Lost Tribes of Israel.......
    is a film series concept that could revolutionize the economy of Jordan and the
    Palestinian Authority?!


    I did attempt to put this basic idea in front of some Mossad people who may be participating on politicalforum.



    P. M. Netanyahu, President Trump has a 4.3 trillion dollar problem....


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ump-has-a-4-3-trillion-dollar-problem.531929/






    Theoretically....... America has so much power over the economy of China with the threat of reparations linked to COVID 19.......
    that the release of Falun Gong, Uighur Muslims and Christians from the reeducation camps in China could become a reality within months or years.

    So where do they go once the are released?

    How about the White Elephant Cities of China that were constructed to make the economy of China look better on paper.



    (I am attempting to do a search for "White Elephant Cities, epoch times youtube.com" but my search engine will not touch it.... .but I know that that video is out there because I saw it a year or two ago.)?!


     
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    Sure. Palestinians are just over the moon about being in front of a camera!!

    What the HELL is statehood, representation, security, etc., worth compared to being in the movies???
     
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    I do find it awfully hard to take Israel as acting in good faith and having any sort of moral high ground so long as Palestinians are denied both equal citizenship in Israel (which would end the “Jewish state” thing) or freedom and self determination as an independent state.
     
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    Gaza doesn't need your money.

    Palestine is potentially one of the more wealthy nations in the region.

    The reason is that there is crystal clear evidence that they possess significant oil and gas reserves. And, this has been known for a long, long time.

    In the war waged by Israel against Palestine, one of the clear Israeli objectives has been to keep the citizens of Palestine in extreme poverty while ensuring that Palestinian natural resource wealth is denied them.

    https://unctad.org/news/unrealized-potential-palestinian-oil-and-gas-reserves
     
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    they chant things like "blood and soil, jews will not replace us" here, but yes, they need Israel to complete a prophecy, one if they ever complete will lose them any addl support as they will no longer be needed

    Israel needs to walk a fine line, act like they want to fulfill the prophecy to bring about the end times, but never do it
     
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    ???

    Isn't that exactly what Americans say when people come to steal their property?
     
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    if someone came to steal my property, why would I chant "blood and soil, jews will not replace us"
     
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    If it were Jews coming to take your land you might well say that.

    If it were white supremacists, you might substitute that.
     
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    it's not happening, so why would anyone chant it
     
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    Are you seriously going to deny the ethnic cleansing that is taking place in West Bank today?

    Or, are you simply noting that nobody is attempting to steal your property right now.
     
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    But the wealth is pretty much in the hands of less than five percent of the population there.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arafats-billions/


     
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    Arafat is DEAD.

    And, we're talking about developing Palestine's natural resources.

    You keep pointing to this idea of yours that the conflict can be ended by making economic gifts.

    But, NOBODY is going to sell out their country for shekels.

    And, they already HAVE wealth. All that is needed is for Israel to stop making war against Palestine.
     
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    When thousands or even tens of thousands of lives are at stake I feel pressure to move faster........

    Might His Holiness Pope Francis nominate me for thirty third level????





    @Death
    I am almost certain that you will get a good laugh out of all this!?
     
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    The real Mashiach ben Ephrayim / Yosef could well get involved in a project that is meant to take down a modern "Goliath" of sorts......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...it-against-bill-gates.591367/#post-1072886021



    Due to their having a Brigham Young University campus in Jerusalem Latter day Saints are in a special position to assist nine point three million Israelis with this possibility..........(at minimum artistically........ which could be the key to Gates avoiding serious jail time)??????
     
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    I have attempted to explain that Jewish patriarchs could well reincarnate as Christians.......

    in order to assist Christians to believe firmly in the literal fulfillment of every word from Ezekiel chapter forty to forty seven.....

    but I know that I know that I personally know essentially NOTHING about the specifics involved in Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight......

    but many scholars and mystics living in Israel definitely will be shown how to specifically accomplish all of that........

    and I do feel that whatever all is meant by the stick of Joseph being twisted together with the stick of Judah and Levi fully means......

    .... .it is beginning in a huge way........


    the more that I think about Leviticus chapter sixteen the more potential that I know is in there.....
    almost like gold that can be dug out of every word in hidden meaning in Yom Kippur.....

    Creating money as a DEBT... is not the most silly idea that former covering cherub Halel (who is now Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan)...... ever came up with.......

    the problem with that idea of compound interest over time is a fairly easy mathematical issue to deal with.....



    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-for-the-role-of-elijah-needed.499830/page-3
    post number sixty seven has a lot of potential.......

    and so does a Class Action Lawsuit against Goliath Brain Bill Gates that could easily be largely led from Israel.....


    Should Israelis begin discussion of a Class Action Lawsuit against Bill Gates?


    IF BILL GATES WERE WILLING TO DO IT....
    he could do an Academy Award winning explanation for
    some variation of "goat for Azazel" .......

    .. that would remind many of us of either Bar Abbas / Barabbas
    or perhaps Judas ...

    and this book holds shocking keys to looking at Judas in a potentially very different light.....


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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ination-for-nobel-prize-in-literature.542590/
    Your nomination for Nobel Prize in Literature?

    I am a firm believer in Azazel fulfilling his new name of Abner Paul Azazel Baalzebub.....
    and all that he did wrong will be turned into the capability to teach like King David taught after his sin against Uriah.....

    I know that I know that we Christians are not yet prepared for the rise of a latter day Elijah and then a human Moshiach ben Ephrayim and then a human Moshiach ben David....... who will succeed in accomplishing all that they need to do so that Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight come to pass over the upcoming decades ....
     
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