Christian persecution 'at near genocide levels'

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christian persecution 'at near genocide levels' - BBC News

    The persecution of Christians in parts of the world is at near "genocide" levels, according to a report ordered by Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt. The review, led by the Bishop of Truro the Right Reverend Philip Mounstephen, estimated that one in three people suffer from religious persecution. Christians were the most persecuted religious group, it found.
    Mr Hunt said he felt that "political correctness" had played a part in the issue not being confronted.

    The interim report said the main impact of "genocidal acts against Christians is exodus" and that Christianity faced being "wiped out" from parts of the Middle East.
    It warned the religion "is at risk of disappearing" in some parts of the world, pointing to figures which claimed Christians in Palestine represent less than 1.5% of the population, while in Iraq they had fallen from 1.5 million before 2003 to less than 120,000.
    "Evidence shows not only the geographic spread of anti-Christian persecution, but also its increasing severity," the Bishop wrote.

    Prince Charles: "It is an indescribable tragedy that Christianity is now under such threat in the Middle East''
    "In some regions, the level and nature of persecution is arguably coming close to meeting the international definition of genocide, according to that adopted by the UN."
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christian Persecution Complex is most certainly at very high levels in the United States as Islam trickles into its realm, but Christians are no more a target than anyone else. Hell, Muslims kill more Muslims than Non-Muslims every day. Christian snowflakes just seem to melt when anyone talks about things other than the God that needs their protection. Becoming little whiners will not gain you the converts your religion needs to survive and attacking Atheists is rather stupid as well.
     
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    Remember that Jesus won't return until a certain number of believers have been killed for their faith. He insists on it. And since people say that they want Jesus to return they should be OK with being persecuted for their faith. You have to be dead to get into the golden cube.
     
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    Yes to the OP, there are more Christian martyrs today than at any time in history.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can tell Christians aren't on the Left's officially sanctioned Victims list.
     
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    Yes, a strangely quiet thread.
     
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    Perhaps someone can actually post evidence. Lets see for example how the Christian death tolls compares in the world with the Muslim death tolls.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do we have to count muslims killing each other?
     
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    Nope persecution is members of one religion killing or deliberatly harming members of another religion. Otherwise the civil war in America would be absolute proof of religious persecution in America.
     
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    That's like asking how the Jewish death tolls compare to Nazi death tolls.
     
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    Or maybe how Jewish death tolls compared to Russian death tolls??

    Who really got slaughtered in WWII?
     
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    Here's a list of Christians killed by Muslims since 9/11/01: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx

    I couldn't find anything remotely similar for Christian terrorists. Anders Breivig in Norway attacked white children. The attack on mosques in New Zealand seems to have been motivated by white nationalism rather than Christianity. Most Christian terrorism in the US seems directed at abortionists. The most extreme form of Christian terrorism in the last century occurred in Ireland, against other Christians (Catholic v. Protestant). Christian attacks on Muslims in Asia and the Middle East seem almost entirely reactive, the response to Muslim incidents prior, and the Muslims are winning those battles, as shown in the figures from the study listed in the OP. The only Muslim population under severe threat anywhere in the world is in Myanmar, and those are Buddhists who are doing the oppressing. The Uyghers in China are oppressed, but not being murdered, and that by Chinese nationalists, not by any religious group. Despite what leftists would like to believe, Muslims attack Christians routinely, in the middle east, in Asia, and in the Western world, and get little coverage, while Christian attacks on Muslims are rare and get headline attention.
     
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    Do you really not understand the difference between war and genocide?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually that conflict was more about economic class than actual religion. Northern Ireland imposed a minimum property requirement for voting. The Protestants had an ancestral origin from England, generally held more wealth, and had an ever slightly different culture. The Irish Catholics felt oppressed due to historical legacies, and felt like they were denied political power (since the majority of them did not hold the minimum property requirement).

    There were a few attacks during the conflict soley targeting religion, but the vast majority of the killings were primarily not on the basis of religion.

    It would not be accurate to say that it was religion underlying the conflict. (although religious affiliation certainly contributed to highlighting the differences between the two groups)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The leaders in Myanmar are mostly Atheists. The current regime (if you can call it that) in Myanmar emerged out of the Communist movement. Myanmar uses similar military force to suppress other ethnic separatist groups in the country, but the Muslims are a distinct case. The central Communist government in Myanmar does not look kindly upon groups that wage attacks against surrounding people based on religion. The ethnic war on the Myanmar muslims is in retribution for muslim raids. The government sees that as dealing with the problem. Even Aung San Suu Kyi, who was in the past hailed as a hero around the world by Progressives, supported how Myanmar's government was dealing with the situation.
     
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    Edit to above post: The regime in Myanmar emerged out of the Socialist party, which was just a more moderate version of Communism (the splinter Communist Party was suppressed) with some nominal Buddhist influences. It's a one party state, and the party suppressed other political parties, though the party has in very recent years begun to loosen its grip a little.
     
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    There is a difference, I'll grant you.

    But, the policy carried out against Russia ensured that millions of civilians would freeze or starve to death. Suggesting that was an accident of war is clearly false.
     
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    However, I see no such exclusions made in the many other conflicts noted on this thread.

    Until there is a real analysis, these are all just claims by Americans with a political objective.
     
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    Christians persecute people as much as they are persecuted themselves. Look at Uganda, and their treatment of gays as a prime example.
     
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    Let us know when 657 Ugandan homosexuals are killed and wounded in a single attack.

    While I don't dispute that government does a lot of repressing, sending people to jail is a very different kind of repression from independent terror groups blowing people up. And if you had to choose which country to live in as a homosexual, you're still better off in Uganda than in Saudi Arabia, for example.
     
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    Many churches teach 'turn the other cheek' to mean 'let your persectors kill you.' God may reward their martyrdom.

    The rest of us traded our shirts in for swords.
     
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    Uganda is close to passing a bill which makes homosexuality a capital offense. (And this is being supported by a huge number of far right CHristian groups in the US)
     
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    And the US kills 3,000 by abortion daily.
     
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    That is correct, it was tribalism, several of the leaders of both sides of the conflict were agnostic. The actions there in a particular time and place were against the teachings of Christ, Jihadists simply follow the word and deed of their founder, on a global scale.
     
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    It seems your information is out of date. The bill was passed, minus the capital offense part, in 2014, and struck down by the Ugandan Supreme Court later that year. And the claim that it was supported by far right Christian groups is slanderous and without evidence.
     
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