Christian persecution 'at near genocide levels'

What is appalling is the lack of press the Christian 'genocide' has received. I recall reading that the killings amounted to 300 a day. I think the indifference is a deliberate intent to destroy the current Christian world order.

Lot's of smarts there, reminds me of the 1920's and 30's when half of Europe were nationalist pagans, and the other half internationalist atheists. Didn't end too well then, and it's not going to end too well now either.

 

Maybe even exceeding the martyrdom in the Soviet Union - especially under the Bolsheviks when they were being burned alive in churches.

 

Maybe they don't like proselytizing and isn't that what gays do when they flaunt their life style?

 

Under the British only Protestants were allowed to own land, so the Catholics were landless and unable to vote. This continued because Northern Ireland was fearful that if the Catholics voted, they would lose their power and their privileged trade deals with Britain by uniting with the South.

Weakening states by separating them economically was always a British policy. Cyprus was given better trade deals so it wouldn't unite with Greece, and in the Middle East lines were drawn in the sand to separate the Arabs into richer and poorer nations.

 

Flaunt their ‘lifestyle’? What exactly does that mean? Gays include a huge range of types of personality, many of whom the ‘straight’ world would be shocked to learn their romantic/sexual preferences. Take for instance the increasing number of athletes etc lurching out of the closet. What for instance is their ‘lifestyle’. If by ‘lifestyle’ you’re hinting at sexual behaviour and it’s specifics even here you’re probably mistaken in your thinking. The last survey taken in the US I read tells us over 35% of gay men do not practice anal intercourse. If you venture into the world of on-line heterosexual porn you may be surprised at the amount of anal intercourse women are being subjected to. Why to I use the term ‘subjected’? Because females of our species do not possess the major erogenous zone of a prostate gland males of our species have located just inside their anus. Getting biblical you may want to ask why a supposed creator placed that organ in that location, especially in light of Genesis Ch1:V 26.

Now back to the persecution of Christians. Given periods such as the Spanish Inquisition and the sexual assault on the young by any number of priests, reverends etc over the ages maybe we’re witnessing a form of collective karma at work? Puts me in mind of Christ in the temple smashing the tables of merchants. I wonder how he’d react if he found himself inside the Vatican bank or one of the obscenely cashed up evangelical churches in the US of A who preach wealth is a reward from God for worshiping him? But hey, don’t get me wrong, Christianity isn’t the only religion that’s reaping what it sewed.
Never mind, you can comfort yourself with a reading of Jeremiah Ch:15.V:15.

 

My blood chills at phrases such as ‘He insists on it’. Maybe I shouldn’t be shocked though at anything a deity does who tortured his own son ( actually himself if you swallow trinitarian theology) to redeem sins he knowingly (omniscience) made possible by granting our species free will.

 

Stop trying to misread other's statements.

The meaning is that God insists on other people being allowed to carry out their sins, before he returns. People will suffer.

Don't try to bring up that argument here.


You're basically saying that your "blood chills" because God doesn't stop a serial killer from killing people. Ridiculous.
Start your own separate thread about that if you want. Bringing that argument up here is like trying to derail the discussion, bringing up a long theological/philosophical issue.

 

I’ll bring up any argument I choose to so long as it’s on topic. How about you face up to the meaning of devine omniscience and it’s thelogical implications? How about we examine the pursecution of Christians today in the light of divine omniscience or would you rather dismiss belief in the traditional Christian idea of God? You do however have available that old cop-out of all evil being the work of Satan. Again you’re faced with the creator’s for-knowledge of what his fallen angel would get up to .
We might also want to examine the book of Job in which we learn Satan only has power if God permits it. And don’t try that tired old apologist’s theory God is still omnipotent because the COULD overthrow the power of the forces of evil if he chose. You’d then be left with the question why didn’t the Almighty choose to overthrow Satan. It amused him not to, or that other old warhorse of biblical apologetics, “The Lord moves in mysterious ways”?

 

In another thread. You know as well as I do that's a deep pit of philosophical debate. Bringing it up is derailing the discussion in this thread.

 

I’d be happy to have the moderators decide if the Christian God’s omniscience is irrelevant to any discussion of the pursecution of Christians today.
I know as well as you do? That’s one of the most cleverly worded insults I’ve had thrown at me for an age.
Now lets discuss how the pursecution of Christians can be reduced. Maybe an open examination of Sura 3. V7 to V11 of the Koran can provide a partial answer? On the other hand we might fruitfully dive into a curious part of the church's teachings and examine the doctrine of redemption through suffering in the light of Mathew Ch 16: V 21. ?

 

I would define the gay lifestyle, or the gay agenda, as the attempt to normalize perversion, and to force everyone else to validate that choice. Thankfully, there is hope in Jesus to be set free from this deadly slavery:

https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/set-free-from-the-gay-lifestyle/

You're blaming the victim. Can you muster enough moral courage to agree Muslims bombing churches on Easter is wrong? Maybe take another baby step and admit their religion tells them to do this?

 

I don't think Muslims are told to bomb churches on Easter, but they are not taught that doing something to a Christian, Jew or anyone is as wrong as doing it to a Muslim. They tend to follow their 'passions' blindly and you can see it in the anger they have when exiting a mosque..

I can't imagine Christians coming out of a Church and being angry or hateful at Muslims or anyone. It's because of the peace given us by the Holy Spirit. This is why He is called the 'Comforter'. He comforts us when we have been wronged and when tragedy strikes.

One has only to remember the highly devout Amish at the time their children were killed. None of them expressed anger and revenge at their killer - and it shocked the world. Contrast this now with how undevout Christians, atheists, Muslims, Hindus and others would act, and how they say they cannot rest unless the perpetrator is caught and suffers equally.

This is not because Christians are suppressing their feelings as some Muslims believe, but because those feeling are not there, thanks to God's Grace and the workings of His Holy Spirit. I mean what gain is there in hating and feeling revenge, when it's not going to undo what was done?

 

Peculiar isn’t it that Jesus never once mentions homosecuality in the New Testament. As to this idea homosexuality is a choise please acquaint yourself with the last century of clinical literature on the subject.

If you’re addressing that remark at me you’re way off. I’m well aquainted with both the Koran and the Bible being able to quote passages such as Sura 3. v.7-11 of the Koran to shine a light on the viciouslness of that so called Holy book.
As to blaming the victim how can you ignore centuries of vicious repression, torture and murder by Christians or is your knowledge of history totally defective?

 

No, they’ve just got sore knees.

 

Christians' repression, torture, and murder are not justified by Christians' holy book. Muslims' ARE. And by anyone's count, it's the Muslims who have repressed, tortured, and murdered far more people than all the Christian wars combined, and the Christians had a 634 year head start. The murder of 100 million Hindus by the Muslims alone dwarfs all the Christian wars. And then there's the philosophy. Christianity has primarily spread through peaceful means. Islam has primarily spread through war and conquest. It isn't hard to see that one is very different from the other.

 

What do you mean by ‘holy book’? If you refer to the New Testament I can agree. However, if you’re including the Old Testament you're way off.
Christianity primarily spread by peaceful means? I’d love to see the calculations for peaceful as opposed to war and conquest.

 

In Europe, Asia, and Africa, the "word" was spread through peaceful means. Only in south and central America was the word spread through the sword and conquest. The reverse is true of Islam, the faith was spread through all of north Africa, Spain, eastern Europe, the middle east, and western Asia at the point of a sword. Almost nowhere was Islam adopted voluntarily, despite a fictitious article floating around the internet right now claiming otherwise.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID=edl

 

Your referrence is anything but an objective overview.

 

I found it very objective, and quite thorough despite the shortness of the article. But I could find a dozen or more similar articles and books all on the topic of the conquest of North Africa by the Muslims. Seems to me the bias is all on your end.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_North_Africa

 

Not really, it was a non-issue with His Jewish audiences, it was an issue with Paul's gentile audiences which is why he mentioned it. Homosexuality was about as accepted in Paul's pagan society as it is in pagan America.

Jesus never mentioned bestiality or incest either.

 

Exactly, that massacre of Hindus was called by the historian Will Durant the bloodiest episode in history. Christians who do those things do so contrary to Jesus' teachings, the Jihadists do so because of the word and deed of their founder.

 

Christianity cannot be forced on people since it is the individual conversion of one's heart and has nothing to do with the State - even when a Church is allied with it. Christianity is not a political entity and nationalism is self exaltation and a sin since humility in Christianity is a perquisite.

It was the miracles and martyrdoms of the Apostles and Saints that spread Christianity. The conversions would usually occur after a Saint was martyred.

We are not familiar with Church history because the only people who were not illiterate and could record events were monks, so they were discarded by the Protestant 'reformers'.

When the political authorities were Christian and the people they ruled over weren't, then there was resentment toward the Church since they related it to their conquerors. In Mexico, the bishop found it impossible to convert the Aztecs until the miraculous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared on Juan Diego's tilma. After that millions converted within 7 years.

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https://cruxnow.com/faith/2014/12/12/four-awesome-facts-about-our-lady-of-guadalupe/

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Your grasp of history is minimal. You’ve swallowed the Church’s mythology whole and undigested.Maybe you imagine the Holy Spirit will come down and reveal the truth to us non-believers or maybe you imagine your evangelical efforts will by some miracle convert. Sorry, you’ve no hope pulling the wool over the eyes of this little pixie.
In cases such as this I’m too often reminded of 2nd Thessalonians 2:11.

 

Greek Orthodox theology emphasizes man's spiritual nature, not his physical one. Homosexuality would certainly fall in the latter category. But look I'm not condemning anyone. I see homosexuals as victims of a very sick society.

I'm sorry my Christianity offends you. Too bad!

 

Actually the 'Word' was accepted in Central and South America through the miracle of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Before that they resented the hard handed methods of the Spaniards and refused to convert. As for Islam, I heard of an Egyptian Mufti stating on TV that if it wasn't a capital offense to leave Islam, it would have ceased to exist. He was proud of it, and that amazed me.

It seems obedience is paramount in that part of the world, rather than one's free will - and even free thought.