Christianity Has Lost Its Fundamental Principle!!!

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  1. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Love! Love! Love! Unconditionally.
     
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    I'd need convicing it ever actually held that as a fundamental principle.
     
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    Have you ever read Jesus' parable about the wheat and the tare and do you know He was talking about?
     
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    Love...love...love...unconditionally? GOD made man as mortal sinners, which means that none of us Christians can live up to the high standard that HE set for us. For example, I personally find it tough to have or to show unconditional love for the home boy who has a gun pointed at my head, or for the atheist and others that belittle or besmirch us just for being Christians.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hypocrites I guess......The church seems to be so deficient of this virtue, whether it be covertly or overtly. It also seems to be a case of leaders presenting what appeals to the layman for the sake of building a congregation. Finances being the motivating factor over sharing the real message, which is coming at a huge spiritual cost. If the financial factor was less considered, there is no doubt the real message would permeate through. They're my thoughts. In saying that I would be interested to hear another take on it.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm a little disturbed by the your statement that God made man mortal sinners. This demonstrates a total misrepresentation of scripture right here. This is exactly where my concerns lie. Christianity is represented no differently to what we perceive of Islam in this instance. God made man in his own image and character is my understanding. Jesus himself lived and died persecuted and still said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". How simple is this example. At what stage do we stop striving for perfection, or do we just live on one scripture that suggests that our sins are forgiven as far as the east is from the west. Jesus demonstrated harshness towards the pharasees and other so called leaders of the church not the layperson, as far as I understand anyway.
     
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    I agree with you. But then when you say "Christianity" I cant help but feel you mean institutionalized religion, which I feel will always corrupt religious values.
     
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    So love is unique to Christianity?
     
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    No, but think it was a core tenant that has been lost. I think that was his point.
     
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    Unconditional love? Pfft. You can't exactly justify denying people basic civil rights with unconditional love in mind.

    You have a very disturbing philosophy.
     
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    Then you are you are disturbed with GOD for HE did make us all sinners. If you believe that not to be true, then I'll leave it to you to find a mortal being who has not sinned.


    I don't know what your problem is here. GOD does forgive us for our sins, but that doesn't take away from the fact that we'll all be sinners for the rest of our lives. If you believe we have the ability not to sin, then you would be the first to advocate for the perfection of the species, which as we just saw would be a reversal in your thinking.
     
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    Seems that they have lost it very early.
    Poor Hypatia
     
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    Statements often give a direct insight into people's logic, or lack there of. Interest Libhater how you are essentially saying "Jesus' teachings get in the way of my anger issues so I'm just going to forget about them and hope God doesn't care."

    A little disturbing, quite revealing, but as always incredibly entertaining.
     
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    I don't have any anger issues as may be defined by a mortal such as yourself. I also am an advocate for the "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" saying as it has done me quite well in this temporary sinner's market we all live in here on earth. I'm happy that you're entertained by my Christian lifestyle, though I never claimed to be as funny as that socialist Jon Stewart or of your veep joe biden with his many faux pas.



    A little disturbing, quite revealing, but as always incredibly entertaining.[/QUOTE]
     
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    An eye for an eye? Is that not the Old Testament?

    I could have sworn in Christianity an eye for an eye was replaced with turn thy cheek.

    Are you Jewish?
     
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    What love is there in a cult based around an impending end of the world scenario and a perceived need to convert as many people as possible? Aside from the basic sense of love for other people such that you do want to "save" them through conversion, there isn't much there to brag about. Then you have all the history that's followed its early beginnings, which included inquisitions, crusades and other atrocities. It didn't take long at all for this supposed "core tenant" of love to be lost. All it took was for Christianity to gain power over people at the political level, rather than being a persecuted minority. It did well as a persecuted minority...
     
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    God gave us free will. Unfortunately man wasn't happy strolling along in the garden with one simple rule. Nosireee Bob. Hubris man wanted (still does) all knowledge. With knowledge come choices. One of those choices is sin.

    You can't blame God for the choices mortals make. Be responsible for your own choices, otherwise you sound no different than the pagans always blaming their actions on the gods & goddesses.
     
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    ^ Typical. Whatever you think makes sense is the truth, and we can't blame your god for what its creation does. Perfect Yahweh made imperfect humans, and obviously right from the get-go at that, since humans, according to you, chose to disobey Yahweh of their own free will.
     
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    Silly comment as usual. Christians don't see the end of the world as something to fear.

    How often have I told you man will inevitably destroy himself? The die will be cast by man putting the wheels in motion. We, who firmly believe, will be saved from the earthly hellfire by our faith in Jesus. We'll likely disintegrate along with the rest of mankind but those who believe will be granted eternal life. The rest will dwindle in a void where no light will ever permeate.

    A believer is only capable of planting seeds. The rest is up to the recipient of the seeds. Some seeds fall on rock. Some fall between the cracks. Some fall on fertile soil. Newsflash: Nobody except God can soften a hardened heart.

    Yes, yes, your usual laundry list of human atrocities under the banner of religion <rolls eyes>. Shall I post my laundry list of human atrocities caused by atheists? What's the LCD? Oh, wait! Neither group are gods, not even demi-gods. Imagine! Hmmmm. Must be that mortal trait of always having to battle between sin & virtue or in your case right from wrong. Ever wronged anyone? Ever post pics of innocent 9/11 victims jumping to their death for revenge against a NYer? My point is nobody is perfect. Not even you.
     
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    LOL! WE can't blame YOUR God? Oh, Flip-flop. Try as you like to deny the existence of an Ultimate Power much greater than mortal man, God's spirit still resides in you. You are still God's creation, like it or not. heh

    Humans have a free will to do as they please. God doesn't interfere. The choices we make are ours. It's called accountability. ;)
     
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    THANK GOD!!!

    I thought someone left the 10 Commandments on the Bus or something...
     
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    Try though I may, I can't make a superstitious mind reasonable.

    You're certain that a "non-interfering" god who purposely murdered most of the Earth's population in an impossible global flood exists and is "an Ultimate Power," and so on. If you hadn't been raised to think in such ways, you would see how insane they are.
     
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    In one of Jesus' parable He told the story about the wheat, which the farmer sowed in his field and an enemy came by night and sowed tares in that same field. The wheat represented true Christians and the tares represent false Christians. Because people don't understand Jesus' parables and what He taught, they think that just because someone call themselves a Christian they automatically believe that the person is.

    So when they see a person whom they would refer to as a Christian or a Church does something that is wrong the knee-jerk response is to condemn all Christians. And what I have noticed on this forum or other forums like this one is that they condemn all Christians by the very poor example set by the Catholic Church, even though that Church was responsible for the deaths of many Christians who were not part of the Catholic Church. Most fail to realize that the true Church has nothing to do with being part of a denomination.....the true Church is simply all those who are filled with the Holy Spirit, and that sign that one has the Holy Spirit is having Love, Joy, Peace and so on.
     
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    We've gone down this road before. You're still a Bible literalist who fails to understand literary techniques employed by each Biblical author, the audience addressed, parables, historic events as understood by the ancients, etc. How many times have I told you the Bible isn't an error ridden ancient science text book? Once more for possible brain penetration. The Bible is a journey of the faithful from the beginning of ancient man's conception of time as well as the faithful's relationship to an Omnipotent Power far beyond the understanding of hubris man's finite mind.

    What's so superstitious about admitting that neither man is the center of the universe nor does he possess all universal knowledge?

    I take it you still haven't read the works of St. Augustine. All hail, Dawkins! ROFLMAO
     
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    You're the one who was just claiming that the Garden of Eden was literal truth..

    It's error-ridden and contains the ideas of people who lived long before science was developed. Try reading Genesis 1. It doesn't fit with how the universe and our solar system really formed, nor with the order of life's evolution. It's all wrong. It's a flat-earth book that you and others are desperate to try and creatively reinterpret in a way that it can still be "true" in spite of today's knowledge.

    Because you fear death.
     

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