City employees shocked by new insurance deductibles [From $500 to $7000]

Wow, you still can't post anything but your opinion, why is that? Is it because what you are saying is partisan gobble-gook?

 

common sense... but you can always try to prove me wrong rather then attack the messenger....

 

You can't prove a negative FA, and you keep spouting that silly nonsense without a shed of evidence. There is no attacking the messenger when the messenger partisan just making crap up. Either backup your statements or admit you can't, it's that simple

 

it's my opinion based on common sense, but feel free to counter it if you can....

do you seriously think the individual mandate and increased deductibles has not increased profits for these corps?

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Tough (*)(*)(*)(*)! It "IS" affordable and for your own good. You are welcome.

 

I did counter your argument and no it did not increase profits, otherwise Obama wouldn't be making up the difference with tax payer money. Common sense should not enter your comments without evidence you are right, so we can flush your common sense in this debate

 

I see this "talking point" too often on this forum "Obamacare is the result of a compromise with conservatives". Imo, it is either intentionally dishonest or intentionally misleading. There is no doubt in my mind that the intend is to associate Republicans as the guilty party. Even if it wasn't intended or intentional, it appears as a underhanded spinning of the facts. It is hard for me to take anything else the poster says as being serious or factual at that point.

 

Then how did we go from Obama being against an individual mandate to an individual mandate with a public option to an individual mandate without a public option if it wasn't for negotiations. Just because republicans refused to participate in negotiations doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Fact is Obamacare got a lot more conservative than what Obama initially proposed. And that was because of the conservatives that were willing to come to the table. Unfortunately for republicans none of them were willing to come to the table.

 

Obamacare was supposed to change all the "problems in the industry forever".
We didnt have to spend 1.36 Trillion dollars to remain in the status quo....

 

We didn't remain in the status quo. We reduced the growth rate of premiums and increased the amount of people insured.

 

it did increase their profits, that is the point, it's common sense that those things would increase profits

 

Since the premium savings of 2500.00 didnt work out...and people can't really keep their Doctors or Plans...I understand you have to find something else to pitch as a success.
Enjoy those until they too turn out to be false.

 

No one ever promised 2500 dollars of premium savings with Obamacare. That would have been the premium savings of Obama's original proposal which was negotiated down by conservative democrats and republicans.

 

Since Republicans refused to negotiate, than it would be my guess that it was the Democrats that insisted on the individual mandate. However, that was not my point. My point was the dishonest appearance of pinning it on the Republicans.....whether that was the intent or not. When the word "conservatives" is used, the first thing that comes to people's mind is "Republicans". I would bet it is that first thought that you have when people say the word. There were plenty of options that you could have used to make your point clear.

To be honest, I have seldom seen anybody use the word "conservative" when referring to Democrats. While there may be some Democrats that are more conservative than others, they really are not conservatives.

 

Wait a minute.....I though you just said that Republicans refused to negotiate.

 

We are a right wing country. By global standards our main stream democrats are center right. The right most members of the democrat party are conservatives. They lean more towards low taxes and free market approaches. That was their objections to the single payer system. They felt like this was a problem that needed to stay in the free market and not cause taxes to go up. Does that sound like a liberal approach to you or a conservative one?

Just because the republican party swung way far to the right doesn't mean the word conservative swung with them.

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They did. I think 1 or 2 were willing to vote for the law. But almost all of them were unwilling to even compromise. They all believed government had no role increasing healthcare enrollment.

 

LMAO!

In your dreams.

It's far from affordable.

 

Then your claim that the changes were negotiated by the Republicans was patently false?

 

(sarcasm)

 

Obamacare insured has a high deductible for the majority, which is why profits are up, as I said. The system was designed by democrats and promoted by Obama. Businesses are in business for profit, and Obama and democrats increased those profits, again with high deductibles and more insured. If capitalism bothers you, then cash out your retirement, which happens to be invested in big business, and move to a nation that is not a capitalist society. See how easy that was?

 

Democraps happened. No Republicans were used to create the pile of crap that is ObamaCare.

 

He knows he can't produce any evidence to refute your claim. The health insurance industry has done quite well since the ACA not only expanded their customer base, it set minimum standards for insurance.

 

In other words the republicans refused to come to the table while Obama was clearly willing to negotiate and even conceded his much more liberal proposal to conservative democrats who refused to vote for it until all public healthcare was removed from the bill.

 

$500 to $7000? Holy Smokes!