Civil war Books From the Southern Perspective

That is the story, but in reality Lincoln destroyed the Constitution, the principles of the declaration of Independence [our secession document] and the union.

Abraham Lincoln an American Tyrant
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From Confederation to Consolidation the Political Effects of the Civil war
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He couldn't invade his own country, fer crissake.

 

They could have left the union if Congress had passed enabling legislation. They might have been smarter to have tried going that route, no?

 

Indeed. The South cried before they were hit which makes what they did even more shameful.

 

He sent troops to the Mexican border and I said nothing.

Oh, please. They were damn lucky someone like Sherman wan't tearing up their real estate in 1861.

 

Americans were denied the rights of British citizenship. They were colonial subjects. The Declaration of Independence could have easily been labeled, "Why We Fight."

Yeah, we don't agree about the white South. They had full rights as American citizens and were not denied their liberty or property.

 

Abe the outlaw invaded VA. Read up on the battle at Manassas. Called Bull Run by the north.

 

The Southern revisionists are crybabying, nothing else.

 

Calling the South his sounds like you agree that Abe the outlaw was a dictator in his opinion.

 

No, the first sentence subordinates statute law to the Constitution. Not "any old laws" will do.

States did not have the power to secede. If a state could have seceded, the Constitution would have been a meaningless document. The South cooked up a phony right to justify their actions.

The way out for a Southern state would have been to pass federal legislation.

 

Huh? He was elected President of all the states.

 

Why do you speak as though you enjoy that 630,000 Americans died due to abe invading VA?

https://www.britannica.com/event/First-Battle-of-Bull-Run-1861

Abraham Lincoln ordered General Irvin McDowell to lead an army from Washington, D.C., toward the Confederate capital, Richmond. Beauregard blocked their path at the Manassas rail junction 25 miles (40 km) from Washington, drawing up his army behind Bull Run. He was reinforced with troops, under General Joseph E. Johnston, that had been rushed by train from the Shenandoah Valley.


Confederate soldiers killed during the First Battle of Bull Run, July 1861.Library of Congress, Washington, D.C.
The weather was hot. Unfit Union soldiers arrived at Bull Run exhausted by the march from Washington. Nonetheless, the battle opened to their advantage. McDowell achieved surprise by sending most of his troops around the left of the Confederate line, crossing the river unopposed. The Southerners fought a desperate defensive action; General Thomas Jackson was nicknamed "Stonewall" for holding his Virginian infantry firm (at the Fight for Henry Hill) in the face of the Union onslaught.

In the afternoon, the arrival of fresh Confederate troops at Manassas demoralized weary Union soldiers. As they wavered, the Southerners raised the blood-chilling rebel yell and drove them back across the river. Once they had begun to run, nothing would stop the panicking Union troops. Journalists and congressmen, who had ridden out to observe the battle, found themselves caught up in a rout. Fortunately for the Union, and especially for the very vulnerableWashington, D.C., the Southerners were in no state to mount a pursuit or another attack. The day after the battle, Lincoln signed a bill to create an army of half a million men, enlisted for three years.

The Second Battle of Bull Run, a much larger affair, took place more than a year later on August 29–30, 1862, between a Confederate army of more than 56,000 men under General Robert E. Lee and a newly formed Federal force of 70,000 troops under Major General John Pope. It, too, resulted in a Confederate victory.

Losses from First Battle: Confederate, 387 dead, 1,582 wounded, 13 captured or missing of 32,230; Union, 460 dead, 1,124 wounded, 1,312 captured or wounded of 28,450.

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  United States: Fighting the Civil War
  …Richmond, Virginia, were stopped at Bull Run (Manassas) and then driven back to Washington, D.C., by Confederates under Gen. Thomas J. “Stonewall” Jackson and Gen. P.G.T. Beauregard. The shock of defeat galvanized the Union, which called for 500,000 more recruits. Gen. George B. McClellan was given the job of training…
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  American Civil War: The war in 1861
  …on July 21 in the First Battle of Bull Run (which came to be known in the South as First Manassas), he discovered that Johnston had escaped the Federals in the valley and had joined Beauregard near Manassas just in time, bringing the total Confederate force to around 28,000. McDowell’s…
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  Abraham Lincoln: Outbreak of war
  …for the federal forces at Bull Run (July 21, 1861). After a succession of more or less sleepless nights, Lincoln produced a set of memorandums on military policy. His basic thought was that the armies should advance concurrently on several fronts and should move so as to hold and use…
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  Remembering the American Civil War: Overview
  …Richmond, Virginia, were stopped at Bull Run (Manassas) and then driven back to Washington, D.C., by Confederates under Gen. Thomas J. (“Stonewall”) Jackson and Gen. P.G.T. Beauregard. The shock of defeat galvanized the Union, which called for 500,000 more recruits. Gen. George B. McClellan…
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  Stonewall Jackson: Battle of Manassas
  Beauregard on the field of Bull Run in time to meet the advance of General Irvin McDowell’s Federal army. It was here that he stationed his brigade in a strong line, withholding the enemy against overwhelming odds and earning the sobriquet “Stonewall.” The spring of 1862 found Jackson again in…

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  • In United States: Fighting the Civil War
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• Barton
  • In Clara Barton
• Early
  • In Jubal A. Early
• Jackson
  • In Stonewall Jackson: Battle of Manassas
• Lincoln
  • In Abraham Lincoln: Outbreak of war
• McDowell
  • In Irvin McDowell
• Stuart
  • In Jeb Stuart

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Recall he also stated states had the right to secede. VA had the right not to be invaded by the Lincoln Army

 

^^^^ Silly

 

My uncle lived in Manassas. Anyway, Lincoln had every right to act to put down the rebellion.

 

It was completely peaceful until your hero invaded VA.

 

The so called rebellion had every right to exist and secede. Abe remarked on this in a speech he delivered in 1848.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/...n-the-united-states-house-of-representatives/

 

He changed his mind? He was hypocritical? He was wrong in 1848? Even the great Donald John Trump changed his politics in the past decade.

I don't particularly care what Lincoln thought in 1848 or 1861. He was within his rights as President to suppress the rebellion.

 

Yea, lots of nonsense and actually nothing in response to what I had actually written.

Let me know if you actually want to discuss things, and not just ignore everything and take off on a tangent having nothing to do with what I posted.

 

I hate to tell you this, but those opposed to Federalism (the "Anti-Federalists") both won, and lost their argument when the Constitution was ratified.

However, they did get a huge consolation prize. The Bill of Rights was primary among them.

So any claim that anybody who is not a "Federalist" simply does not apply. That concept had died decades before the war even started.

Oh, and the Union was perpetual long before the Union was even created.​

Yea, and like pretty much everything else you have posted, this is pure nonsense.

If he was a dictator, then explain why the Supreme Court declared his declaration suspending Habeas Corpus Unconstitutional? Because if he was indeed a "dictator", he could do anything he wanted and ignore anybody who opposed him (or have them arrested, or even executed).

Sorry, pretty much every claim you make is just as silly as the ones I just pointed out. All I see is yet another Racist Secessionist fanboi here. Trust me, you should just go along home and not even try, unless you can come up with something to back up your claims.

 

Does not come even close to applying.

The Revolutionaries tried for years to work within the British legal system. Hence the much repeated cry in the decades before the war of "the Rights of Englishmen". Which were repeatedly violated by the abolition of legislatures in the Colonies, and the refusal to acknowledge that the Colonists themselves had the right to have a say in any taxation they had to pay (which is part of not only English Common Law, but their own Bill of Rights).

This had nothing to do with the Texas Revolution, because the President of Mexico at the time (General Santa Anna) had already ripped up the Constitution of Mexico and shat upon it. The Supreme Court was abolished, as was their own Congress. He really had appointed himself a dictator, and ignored the Constitution. Not really unlike what we see in Venezuela today.

But ultimately, in order to hold a revolution you must succeed in that that attempt. If you fail, then you indeed did not have that right. That pretty much goes without saying after all. The South lost, therefore they did not have that right.

 

Beauregard kicked Abes arse all the way back to Washington DC for his invasion of VA.

 

So what? Abe kept sending guys to get the job done. He finally settled on Grant and Sherman. Game, set, match.

 

Yeah And FDR beat Hitler too. At a cost of 400,000 lives.

Abe got 630,000 killed in combat by invading VA in the first place. Sumter cost the union no injuries. The puny cannon the South had did damage to bricks and mortar.

Compared to the USA, Germany is puny. It might be a decent sized mid range state.

 

Here is what the sycophants to Abe the outlaw constantly ignore.

The public living in the South states voted. After Abe won the presidency, the voters then voted to stay or leave the union. Only those states where the voters said to stay, did they stay.

The rights of you and every individual top the state or Feds for that matter so long as collectively you agree.

Face this fact. Abe could have been sworn in, and took the same stand he took in 1848 and not bothered to wage war against the South. But he chose war. A fort damaged to the bricks and mortar is not cause for war.

A good today example is how Gov Gerry Brown and now Gov. Newsom flaunts federal law and gets voters to approve anti federal laws. We have sanctuary cities and a state built around flaunting federal law. Democrats never complain about this flaunting of law. Why do you suppose that is?

Cal flaunted Federal law when we voters created the pro Marijuana laws here. We flat stuck it to the Feds. Voters rule.