Civil War- What Would You Do?

Thanks for saying something everyone knows.

Anything else you want to say? Like, the sky is blue? Apples are round?

 

Nor was I

You mentioned something about how states have the right to overrule illegal federal orders... which I inferred to be a comment on both the validity of the confederacy and nullification of federal laws today

So I attempted to explore how the civil war may have emerged from illegal federal laws which the confederat stated responded to by firing on for sumpter, etc

 

What if California wanted to secede, and Trump sent in troops to secure all the weapons from National Guard armories and everything else? What if California then elected to move forward with secession and formed their own Army?

 

No *******, I don't suffer fools well! Have a nice day!

 

Yes, now we are getting back to civil war parallels

So, my opinion is that states do not have the right to arbitrarily secede when ever they disagree with national policy... for example, I disagree with trump, as likely the majority of Californians
I but I do not think this is a basis for secession. Imo it would be pretty difficult to have a nation when every policy disagreement can be a basis to break up the union..... oh... we discovered gold in California so now we want to be a separate nation

 

There is no modern day parallel in America to 1860.

 

What if the moon is made of bleu cheese.

The proposed scenario is ludicrous.

 

Why are you here?

 

What is an appropriate reason for secession?

 

I can ask the same of you. If this is a what if, though, then the US federal government would have booted CA's butt up its throat so that CA could hear the feds kicking its butt.

 

Would that not vary with the state in particular? Any reason that would fly with the Congress and could pass as an amendment would be sufficient.

 

Depends on the reasoning. The CA guard could deny the federal order to mobilize if they could prove unlawful RO. I'd be interested to see what would happen next

 

But that would not happen. CA is a dem state and won't change either under a Trump or a Clinton.

CA is not going succeed.

 

Slavery ... it's always about slavery. California elitists have no intention of quietly forfeiting their Mexican slaves, so Calexit it is.

 

Not sure where you got that.

Lawful orders are covered in the UCMJ.

 

How did you get sidetracked on "orders" ??

 

Orders, lawful or otherwise, are in the UCMJ.

The soldier who disobeys an order must base his defense that the order was (1) unlawful and (2) provided convincing evidence that it was such.

Not an easy task to do.

 

So people will kill everyone they know or love if ordered to?

Yet we know that during the ACW men enlisted in the US military, some of them very senior, ignored orders that they serve in that Army and joined an army raised against the government they had sworn to serve.

There are also numerous examples just from the C20th of soldiers refusing to open fire on certain populations, sometimes en masse. In Hungary in 1956 Hungarian soldiers generally refused to engage protesters, as did some Red Army soldiers. Other examples abound.

There are also plenty of examples of soldiers doing terrible things when ordered, but there is a lot more grey area than you seem to be allowing for.

 

Depends on the nature of the demands and the "such and such" reason.