CNN Anchor Refers to Dallas Gunman’s Actions as ‘Courageous and Brave’

This isn't about the dictionary definition of courage. This is about what she meant when she said it. The word is universally used as a way to describe something that's looked up to, something that's worthy of praise. Now, we know she used it in a complimentary way and it's incredibly disingenuous of you to act like she meant it in the way you've described as it's NEVER used that way....ever.

Or are you going to continue arguing based on a technicality?....just to attempt win an argument.

 

So using a dictionary to define words is a "technicality"? No, it's a way to actually have a standardized language, and to keep people like you from saying that words mean whatever pops into your head when you hear them. The word is not "universally" used for something that is looked up to, as was pointed out earlier with the mention of "brave Nazi soldiers". That implication is in your own mind. Sounds like a personal problem. And you don't know what she meant, either. Are you a mind reader?

 

Because it was stated already. The link is provided to demonstrate some nuts think Timothy McVeigh
was a brave hero....yada, yada, yada.
It's a total failure because what some people thought of McVeigh is absolutely beside the point in question.

Great. How wonderful you must feel.

 

And were the guardians of the freerepublic reporters on tv on a supposedly respectable network broadcasting to millions of people? Hell, anyone can name some losers in some hate group, what makes this so sad is this is a supposedly respectable journalist spewing this crap.

Ever heard of True Americans Against Freckles? They once said all people with freckles should die, so I guess that means what the CNN lady did was OK.

 

I fully understand your point. I agree with it. Someone attacking a police station is not someone I would consider brave and courageous. Perhaps deranged would be a better word. One usually considers being courageous and brave as one who is up holding societies values at with his own life being at risk. Or even a nation's values, but to be courageous and brave one is usually fighting for or doing something to up hold values or to trying to make something or someplace better.

Now if she said it was a fearless attack, I would go along with that. Even a terror attack. I am siding with you as I will never consider this man brave or courageous. Just a criminal, terrorist, thug.

 

You may consider this man brave and courageous, I do not. I consider him a criminal thug, perhaps even with terrorist thoughts. Perhaps he was your freedom fighter. It is said one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

 

Kindly count me in the terminally BORED category as to listening to slack-jawed idiots such as that.

 

Then you think James Boulware was brave? He took great risks in attacking a Dallas police station and put himself in danger.
So does that make him courageous? Or something else? Was Lee Harvey Oswald brave? Timothy McVeigh?
Charles Whitman? Nadal Hasan? Many people consider George Tiller a courageous hero...how about you?

Though people can differ on who their heroes are I think that premeditated deadly attempts to kill others isn't "courage" at all but blind murderous rage and that's what makes Fredricka Whitfield's comments so absurd.


You can look up the word brave in the positive adjective glossary because there is an absolute affirmative and favorable quality the word brave suggests.
http://systemagicmotives.com/PositiveAdjectiveGlossary.htm

Agreed. In the siege of Stalingrad were the Nazi soldiers who fought through a five month long siege against dug in defensive forces brave?
Or were the citizens of Stalingrad that held them off through great hardship and epic disadvantage brave?
In this case I don't think both sides can claim they were brave because the siege of Stalingrad was an act of aggression against Russian civilians and therefore, though bold, was not brave, per se.

The real question is was James Boulware brave?

I don't and I understand your point.

 

It is irrelevant whether he is a "criminal thug", a "terrorist", or a " freedom fighter". Bravery is bravery.

I don't know if you're a Game of Thrones fan, but I think this clip speaks to the word brave, and how it is not synonymous with heroism.

[video=youtube;YEVkm60TPKk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEVkm60TPKk[/video]

In case you don't have three minutes to watch an inspiring speech, the end is the part I refer to @ about 2:00.

"If he gets in, it will your houses he burns, your gold he STEALS, your women he will RAPE. Those are BRAVE men knocking at our door. Let's go kill them"

 

NRA?? I mean they keep pushing the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) about " having a gun to ensure freedom"

 

No, but I heard of the TV program. But for me, my description stands. Foolhardy also comes to mind.

 

Foolhardy would also be a good word. Or bold. I really just linked the GoT clip to disprove mudman's claim that "The word is universally used as a way to describe something that's looked up to, something that's worthy of praise" and NEVER used without that connotation. When the #1 show on TV uses it simply according to the dictionary definition, that proves that, even in popular culture (not just the "technicality" of a Mirriam-Webster's definition), "brave" can simply mean "brave", without any heroic implications.

 

Suicide by battleship is though apparently.

 

Perhaps, I am not a word master. But in most people's mind I do think brave or bravery implies heroic implications. Whether German, American, British charging machine gun nest during WWI was brave actions, foolhardy in some minds, but brave I think would apply. I wouldn't describe this guy as being brave. Idiot also comes to mind, stupid. But then again perhaps some would call those moving from trench to trench against machine guns and howitzers also kind of stupidly brave. But something that had to be done.

The Japanese on these Pacific Islands were also brave fighting to the death, some would call them fanatics, but in a way fanatically brave. There are thousands of other examples, but this guy in Dallas, brave is not a word I would attach to him. Neither is courageous. The above examples were certainly courageous. MLK and the civil rights marchers were both brave and courageous. This guy does not merit words to be put into those ranks.

No word smith here, but I hope you get my meaning. I think the meaning of the average Joe would never call this guy in Dallas brave or courageous.

 

I like it, I just posted something akin to this as my examples. But in war those on each side are fighting for something. Something of value to each sides society and country. In attacking a police station in Dallas, I do not see anything of value this guy was fighting for, what was his objective outside of just killing cops to kill cops?

 

Not to belabor the point but my Google search for the word brave turns this up:
"ready to face and endure danger or pain; showing courage."

If James Boulware showed courage in attacking police headquarters with an assault rifle in a surprise drive by shooting (from his zombie assault vehicle) then we must also call every hood rat that ever sprayed a house with gun fire before driving away courageous also. I'm not ready to do that.

Sorry but I don't consider the dialogue from Game of Thrones to be an authoritative source for the English language and "brave" men don't rob, rape and burn...they stop the men that rob, rape and burn.

 

He was crazy. I doubt he had a rational objective. It doesn't change the fact that you have to be pretty brave to attack a building full of armed defenders.

 

I would call that dang stupid. Especially if he had no rational objective or trying to defend a value.

 

Stupid and brave are not mutually exclusive.

 

CNN anchors are all liberal con artists.

Fredricka Whitfield is just pushing the liberal agenda.

 

I don't see how one can possibly come to the conclusion that he wasn't ready to face danger.

I cited Game of Thrones to provide a pop culture reference, when the authoritative source I already cited (Mirriam-Webster's dictionary) had been deemed a "technicality".

 

Perhaps, but not in this case.

 

Question: Is suicide by cop more or less courageous the putting the gun in his own mouth and eating the bullet? This guy rightly, or wrongly, thought his life was not worth living. He wanted to die, but did not have the courage to do it himself. So, he attacked a police station where he knew they would kill him. He was not brave or courageous. He was nothing more then a petty coward.

 

Cowards don't give their targets a chance to defend themselves. A coward would have walked up with an airsoft gun and gotten himself shot.

 

So, in your warped liberal imagination, as long as he at least tried to take some with him, then he is brave and courageous. The outcome was still the same. He is still nothing but a petty coward.