Colorado cake company loses gay-cake lawsuit

I don't care that the Christians lost this battle but apply the ruling equally to everyone. If a gay couple can force a Christian they should be able to force a Muslim as well. If a Christian wants an I hate (*)(*)(*)(*) cake then that gay baker should have to make it as well.

 

The refusal of a wedding cake for homosexuals is bigoted only in your mind. In the mind of the baker it is a sincere religious conviction, and rather than go against his conscience, he is willing to lose money and put up with a law suit by some very bigoted people.

You are mixing apples with oranges. Refusing to bake a wedding cake for homosexuals is a religious conviction, and no one has the right to ask the baker to go against it. Stop assuming things you do not know about or understand.

It is the responsibility of the State to take all their citizens rights into account. You can't take away a person's religious rights, in order to please a few homosexuals who are so wrapped around themselves and their rights...that they feel they should be imposed on everyone even to the detriment of their own rights.

 

Conscientious objection my arse. What moral code do you speak of "hypocrisy" ?

This was nothing but discrimination on the basis of someone's choice of mate.

Moral Code, what a joke. Which moral code were you referring to "Love thy neighbor as thyself" "Do unto others as you would have them do to you" or "Judge not lest you be Judged".

Or is it "Hate on those who do nothing to you personally but because you disagree with who they choose as a partner in life"

or perhaps " I don't follow much of OT law either but I am a hypocrite so I get to pick and choose which ones I like and which I don't and hate on those who disagree with me"

Please explain to me this "Moral Code" you are referring to ... Please and Thank you.

 

That's seriously what you got from that? Or are you just trolling.

You're lying about what he said.

How was my stance not clear....

 

I must say you are very beautiful, having said that, why do people feel that everyone needs treated the same. Its impossible, anybody with 2 or more kids can tell you that. After serving the lesbians maybe they felt they were contributing to something that they didn't agree with and it just felt wrong to them. Of course how they feel don't matter it's all about the gay's. Think of it like this. Is society really going to force a priest to marry them against his/her will, and are they going to make them do it in the church completely spitting in God's face. How messed up is that. You can't pass a law that forces people to go against their faith it's against the constitution, your right to freedom of religion.

 

So if we are not supposed to defer to the courts...who exactly in your opinion should get the final say on interpreting laws?

Just as you have no concept of law. You are basically saying people should be able to ignore laws they don't agree with.

LOL! The law has done that lots of times. Anyone who is not a straight white man has seen their moral code come into conflict with the law before now.

What exactly do you think the point of having laws is, if you think people should just ignore them when they don't agree with them?

I could ask you the same question. I have to wonder if you really support anarchy or if you are just making it up as part of a troll attempt.

Christian religious views do not supersede the law. Period. It does not matter whether it was staged or completely organic. You, as a Christian, do not have the right to do things that are illegal just because you do not agree with the laws forbidding them.

Do all Christians really think this way? That they can just ignore laws if their "moral code" allows them to?

If Muslims did the same thing, I most certainly would care. I'd support the exact same action against them. Can you give me an example where I have ever advocated different rules for Muslims in America? Even once?

You keep claiming there is some kind of phantom double standard, yet you have failed time and again to provide any evidence at all.

 

Really? You don't understand a business and the laws they agree to when they purchase their license?
If their beliefs don't allow them to follow the laws of the state, they don't belong in business.
They forgo their beliefs if they accept the license and the law is what they follow.

 

The law forces many things on me that is against what I believe. I don't want to drive the speed limits set all the time. I don't always want to wear a seat belt.
And I don't do those things all the time, but I understand that if caught, I have to pay the consequences. Just like the baker.

 

They may be bigoted for being intolerable to bigots. But they are correct, according to the law and the baker bigot wasn't.

Their personal rights were not taken away. Their business can not use their personal rights to discriminate. It's against the law. They personally can still believe as they wish.

 

National Organization for Marriage? Wow! Sounds like very useless organization.

 

I'm sure they can. If the muslim business breaks a law of the state they do business in.

 

No one is requiring that person to bake a cake. That person is voluntarily hanging out a shingle offering to bake cakes for the general public. Then refusing to do so.

If he doesn't want to bake cakes, he has a right not to bake cakes. But he doesn't have a right to violate the terms of the business license he asked to receive.

Most states require businesses that wish a license to serve the public, to actually serve the public. We have learned the hard way what happens to communities who fail to protect themselves against individuals using a business to insert divisive and destructive bias into their economy.

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look it up... books mean nothing until you open them and read

 

One-liner drive-bays are the way of PF.

If you want to debate the educated..... I can point you in the direction.

 

Seems our exchange was off-topic and removed, so I didn't see your last post.

Apparently Christian bashing is right on topic (in every thread) though.... {shocker, eh}

 

There are private clubs (like churches and golf courses) and there are public accommodations (like bakeries and lunch counters). You can't be the latter and then pretend to be the former. This is what the Boy Scouts got in so much trouble for.

 

The government will never have the balls to force unwilling clergy at gunpoint to marry gays. That's where the freedom of religion line is drawn.

 

If that's true than great. But how are these people going to get married.

 

How do think atheist's have been married for decades? Justice of the Peace. Ship Captains.
How many millions of people have been married at the Las Vegas chapels? They don't care if you're gay or not.

There are also numerous churches that DO support gay marriages and are happy to perform the weddings.

Preist's have never been forced to marry people outside their denominations or couples that do not meet their traditions. That doesn't
change with same sex marriage.

 

Apparently holding Christians to the same standards as everyone else is "bashing" now.

Maybe this was all engineered by Jesus. To tech you people what it's like when you don't get special treatment.

 

Zzz.... spin it, bro.

Not at all what I said. It's all the other insults, condescension, name-calling and general childish comments about Christians that are "on topic".

Half the posts in this thread relate to the topic. Of the half that don't, mine and fils' exchange were the ones removed for it. ; )

Pay attention to the people you try and argue with, you'll waste a lot less of your 24 hours a day sitting online.

I don't want special attention.... nor will I give it.


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There are justices of the peace... random people with internet licenses... and unBiblical clergy.

No shortage of people who'll marry them, so the rest of the clergy won't need to be forced.
If it happens it will be out of spite.
Like the bakers.

 

They can go to churches that are willing to marry gays. There are lots of them. They can also go to the JP.

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Stupid post.

 

Then it's the Christians who are forcing the gays to go against their convictions? And here I thought it was the other way around.

 

Hit a nerve did I?

If it was atheists denying Christians something they were legally entitled to, you'd be right there with the other Christians complaining about how everyone victimizes Christians. Lawsuits pending.

Welcome to PoliticalForum.com. I've been on here over a decade. This is not new. Better grow some thicker skin.

I've seen lots of your posts. You've engaged in plenty of veiled insults yourself. Stop trying to play the blushing virgin.