COMPARING AMERICA TO "DEVELOPED" COUNTRIES

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gun Ban proponents & repeatedly fraudulently claim that America's gun ownership is responsible for the US ranking highly in gun homicides compared to the "developed" world.

    However, upon closer examination, the countries to which America is compared differ vastly from America in innumerable ways that do not even include far more comprehensive health / mental health access.

    The following article explains more thoroughly why comparing America to a cherry picked, small list of vastly different countries is egregiously dishonest & logically flawed.


    "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"

    https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-...oped-countries

    EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

    The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

    Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so. They never acknowledge that when factors beyond per capita GDP are considered, it makes little sense to claim Sweden should be compared to the US, but not Argentina. Such assertions ignore immense differences in culture, size, politics, history, demographics, or ethnic diversity. Comparisons with mono-ethnic Asian countries like Japan and Korea make even less sense"CONTINUED
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why UK's homicides are counted differently than America's homicides:


    "5 Tricks Gun-Control Advocates Play"
    https://mises.org/wire/5-tricks-gun-...advocates-play

    EXCERPT "And finally, there is the problem of the fact that not all countries count homicides in quite the same way. In the US, killings committed in self defense are included as homicides, as are unsolved homicides. Things are done differently in the UK, for example, as noted in this April 2000 report from Parliament:

    Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. "CONTINUED
     
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    The united states is not a first-world, developed nation, nor should be compared to one. It is little better than the nation of Mexico. The sooner such is accepted for being the fact that it is, the better off everyone will ultimately be.
     
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    In spite of Mexico's draconian gun laws, their murder rate is many times higher than the US

    On a different thread, a Poster attempted to praise the effectiveness of stringent gun laws in Brazil & South Africa which have far more in common with the US than Japan or Norway however their homicide rates, too, are many times higher than the US:

    " Crime in Brazil" - Wikipedia
    EXCERPT "There were a total of 56,101 murders in Brazil in 2017. Another study has the 2017 murder rate at 32.4 per 100,000, with 64,357 homicides. In 2016, Brazil had a record 61,819 murders or on average 198 murders per day, giving a homicide rate of 29.9 per 100,000 population.CONTINUED



    "Comparing gun violence in the U.S. and South Africa"
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/02/14/comparing-gun-violence-in-the-u-s-and-south-africa/

    EXCERPT "The United States has the highest rate of private gun ownership in the world (88.8 guns for every 100 people), while South Africa ranks 50th, with a rate of 12.7 guns per 100 people. But gun ownership does not necessarily correlate with gun-related homicide: According to U.N. data, South Africa trumps the United States in that category, with a rate of 17 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people, as compared to the U.S. rate of 3.2."CONTINUED
     

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