"Compromise"... for the pro gun side, anyway.

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  1. roorooroo

    roorooroo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And if any "gun bans" were passed - it would be damn near impossible for the government to go to every home and confiscate all the weapons. So... the ban would be used selectively by those in power - for example, some old white guy shows up to a Trump rally and makes disparaging remarks about the progressive government, or makes derogatory comments about about some leftist politician on the internet. And next day, the gun confiscation swat squad is at his front door with a warrant to search for illegal guns.

    Stuff like this puts WAY too much power in the hands of leftists who would use the laws to selectively squash those on the other side of the fence.
     
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    its like dog catchers in cincinnati. They don't go after the pit bulls owned by bikers in the east end or the crack heads in south fairmount but they pick up the rich widows' poodles in hyde park because they know they won't get shot and the old ladies will pay the fine
     
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    The only data I've seen on point would be that, mysteriously, historically speaking every time the US institutes gun control lynching, again totally mysteriously, go up.
     
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    And that ultimately is the thing about most of them that irks me to death. They want to take guns from those of us that own them responsibly.

    But recently we have had even more shootings by those who are mentally ill, and have a history of gun crimes.

    Most recently, 3 were killed and 5 injured at Michigan State. The perp was mentally ill, and the father was concerned that he had firearms but told nobody about his son's growing mental issues. And he was arrested not once, but twice in 2019 for illegally carrying a concealed weapon. A felony crime that mandates the loss of all gun rights, but in both he was charged as a misdemeanor.

    Over and over again that is the trend that I see popping up repeatedly. Either somebody that had serious mental health issues that were never reported so their guns could be secured or be prohibited from buying them, or criminals that should have had felony convictions for prior gun offenses get away with it and continue doing it.

    For me, I would love to see a mandatory national mental health tracking system for anybody that has been deemed by a mental health specialist as being a danger to themselves or others. And for the gun crimes, any crime involving a firearm get a mandatory felony conviction. And for repeat offenses, and automatic doubling of the sentence. All the way to LWOP for a third.

    I am sick to death of seeing such incidents, and the only answer from so many seems to be banning all firearms instead of actually trying to solve the problem itself.
     
  5. roorooroo

    roorooroo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm on your side, but I have a huge issue with the bolded. This would put a tremendous and overreaching amount of power in the hands of (mostly leftist) psychiatrists, psychologists, and "mental health specialists." Don't ever think that those progressives wouldn't wield that power for nefarious purposes and to advance their political agendas. I am not willing to put my constitutional freedoms in the hands of that crew. Absolutely not, no way, no how.
     
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    Not really. Here is the crazy part.

    We already have such a legal system in place. However, there is absolutely no law mandating that individuals be reported. Everybody who fills out the DOJ forms to buy a gun has to affirm their mental status. And they do check against a national database. However, that is useless as reporting into that is not mandatory, and not even states have to submit those that have even been legally declared mentally incapable.

    Hell, for me James Holmes is a perfect example. He was already under the care of a mental health expert (actually three of them). Who knew he had firearms and had diagnosed him as being homicidal, and a danger to himself and others. They asked him to submit himself for treatment, and he refused. And they informed nobody else. In fact, one of them suggested he not be placed in an involuntary mental health program because that might "inflame him".

    What kind of insanity is that? He is mentally unstable, and they were worried making him get treatment might make him mad?

    We already have in place systems where even clergy and medical personnel must notify the authorities in the event of a sexual crime. Why in the hell is this not done when somebody is in danger of taking a life?

    I also to be honest find it almost hysterically funny when one of those anti-gun nuts who wants to ban all guns also screams we have no right to "persecute" the dangerously mentally ill by taking away their rights.
     
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